Mtt hand discussion

[kompis]

POKERSTARS GAME #18828419181: TOURNAMENT #95565283, $50+$5 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2008/07/14 - 23:06:01 (ET)
Table '95565283 128' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (4430 in chips)
Seat 2: alcswab (4735 in chips) ------ solid tag
Seat 3: Krul Hul (4735 in chips) ------ overaggresive with weak hands
Seat 4: Jschafe28 (9289 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Ashy_L4rry (9510 in chips)
Seat 6: sheppey (7070 in chips) ------ Bad calling station
Seat 7: billywestom (8376 in chips) -- Name pro i think...
Seat 8: xCptHookx (10660 in chips)-- Very loose aggresive
Seat 9: scandalous47 (8115 in chips)- decent player
Krul Hul: posts small blind 100
Jschafe28: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9 5 ]
Ashy_L4rry: folds
sheppey: calls 200
billywestom: folds
xCptHookx: calls 200
Hero: calls 200
alcswab: folds
Krul Hul: calls 100
Jschafe28: folds
*** FLOP *** [5 6 8 ]
Krul Hul: checks
sheppey: checks
xCptHookx: checks
scandalous47: checks
Hero: ???

Ok so I decided to call here because i had position on all of the limpers, and a couple of them are v v bad... however i have only 22 bbs so i suppose many would perhaps correctly fold here?

pot is 1000 when its checked round to me... I should bet here right?

[Jernej Zorec]

yes id fold pf just coz well 9 and 5 arent close enough even when sooted

as for the flop
i just check behind coz
-u cant stand a rase since if u do get action u are in v bad shape imo, and u cant even catch a bluff with your hand
-u arent folding out any better hands with the bad players u have in
-u only fold out hands that are absolute trash, and i dont think u can get them all to fold


so i check behind take the free card and hope to hit either a 5 or a non spade 7 , and get it in, all other hands i pretty much just give up

[jeffonline]

You may have position on two EP limpers but there are still 3 to act after you, EP limpers means they have something worth playing, any raise and you have to fold.

The BB folded against 4 limpers???

You are now at the flop you have bottom pair a shit kicker and an inside str8 draw, $1000 pot, the flop is coordinated with both flush and sta8 draws, which you would have to think some limper may have a good part of this, or at least 2 overs, but they all check to you, why do I get the feeling that this is going to get messy, maybe because I should not have put myself in this position, how much should I bet into a $1000 pot to find out. I must bet at least ¾ of the pot to price out the draws, that’s $700, can’t see me putting in 20% of my stack, $300 -$400 as probe bet, thats over 10% of my stack and I would have to fold to a RR, I could just fold like the BB, lol Its either push or check and fold to any action. Me I would check 95% of the time and push 5% I made an early mistake and just want out as cheep as posible.

[kompis]

I did in fact check, mainly because i thought im getting called or check raised if i bet and my hand cannot stand any number of turn cards and id have to muck if check raised..

there are still 3 to act after you, EP limpers means they have something worth playing, any raise and you have to fold.

In my defence here... its a very loose call, granted. But i have pretty good read on how these guys are playing and i am cocky/confident that i can turn profit with this hand in position against players who i feel i can predict.

Ok the BB was sitting out if you look at the top of the hand history,

*** TURN *** [5 6 8 ] [6 ]
Krul Hul: checks
sheppey: bets 600
xCptHookx: folds
scandalous47: folds
Hero:???

turn pairs the 6 and Sheppey bets out 600 into 1k... what now?

It does not look as though that card could have helped him... but can i really move in on him on such a wierd pot?

[mortaleclipse]

I did in fact check, mainly because i thought im getting called or check raised if i bet and my hand cannot stand any number of turn cards and id have to muck if check raised..

there are still 3 to act after you, EP limpers means they have something worth playing, any raise and you have to fold.

In my defence here... its a very loose call, granted. But i have pretty good read on how these guys are playing and i am cocky/confident that i can turn profit with this hand in position against players who i feel i can predict.

Ok the BB was sitting out if you look at the top of the hand history,

*** TURN *** [5 6 8 ] [6 ]
Krul Hul: checks
sheppey: bets 600
xCptHookx: folds
scandalous47: folds
Hero:???

turn pairs the 6 and Sheppey bets out 600 into 1k... what now?

It does not look as though that card could have helped him... but can i really move in on him on such a wierd pot?

Hes going to have to have complete air to get him off his hand, no? With this cordinated of a board very few hands you beat call.

[supafrey]

Very easy fold preflop

[MrDarling]

In my defence here... its a very loose call, granted. But i have pretty good read on how these guys are playing and i am cocky/confident that i can turn profit with this hand in position against players who i feel i can predict.

ammmm... If you can predict those players why do you ask us?
You can play this hand profitably if you can make them fold a better hand or pay up with worse.
So basically you are hoping to flop two pairs or better and stack someone with TP... Which IMO is not profitable for 22BB's.

PF its probably a raise or fold. And since I much rather have hands that flop well its a fold all day long.
Now when you find your self in this spot post flop you should probably bet 100% of your range. Its very unlikely they check any decent made hand on this very drawy flop. So you bet (about half the pot is enough I think) you can easily fold to a c/r since you are behind most draws ad any made hands. If you get called in one spot you can hope to check it down and be good.
As played, fold most of the times. You are only infrot of a 33/44/54 and air.

[kompis]

ammmm... If you can predict those players why do you ask us?

erm... thread title...to discuss the hand?

[MrDarling]

How can we discuss a hand that involves specific reads on opponent that we don't have?

[kompis]

Noun 1. discussion - an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic
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Your initial response in the thread was a perfect example of discussion..except the part where u question the motive.. thats not in the spirit of it at all

[Jauron]

Fold preflop.

[Ciso_B]

I don't think it's wise to bet flop, and if he fires another shell on the turn I guess it's a fold. He has a good draw or he has you beat, neither are folding if you shove probably. So ya know.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I have to ask... what were we hoping to flop in this hand?

When we get checked to on the flop, that seems like as good a time as any to bet. But that's the last money I would ever put in that pot.