New president and poker?

Namely, the UIGEA and all that followed

Moderators: jimmer, HalfSugar, xDiamond_CutteRx

New president and poker?

Postby MrDarling » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:11 am GMT

I don't really follow any news and stuff, so what are the rumours about Obama regards to the poker low?
MrDarling
 
Posts: 3887
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:24 am GMT
Location: Antwerpen

Postby Muck » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:26 pm GMT

Well I know in the UK you can find out how every MP has voted on every bill on-line. How did Obama vote on poker prohibition and would it be right to assume that’s his official stance?
Image
User avatar
Muck
 
Posts: 2873
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:19 pm GMT
Location: Newport on Styx

Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:33 pm GMT

It wouldn't be right to assume necessarily that anyone who voted for UIGEA (which I don't know if he did) is against Poker, since it was a tacked-on bill.

That said, Obama is a much better option for Poker players than McCain. It's not so much that Obama will be an advocate for Poker, but his administration does not have a constituency to placate by taking a stand against gambling, which would not have been true under McCain (who would have been partly in debt to the anti-gambling religious right).

With a Democratic Congress and President, there is a much better shot at getting gambling legalized and regulated than there would have been under a Republican administration.
Suit Up!
User avatar
xDiamond_CutteRx
Moderator
 
Posts: 4666
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:26 am GMT
Location: Northern California

Postby Muck » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:16 pm GMT

Just for clarity we're talking about on-line poker in the US here?
Image
User avatar
Muck
 
Posts: 2873
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:19 pm GMT
Location: Newport on Styx

Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:40 pm GMT

Yes.
Suit Up!
User avatar
xDiamond_CutteRx
Moderator
 
Posts: 4666
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:26 am GMT
Location: Northern California

Postby golddog » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:10 pm GMT

From what I've heard, neither candidate took a stand on this, and it's not expected to come up in either the house or Senate.
I'm not gambling. I am *winning*.

Richard Dreyfuss, Let it Ride
User avatar
golddog
Tournament Champion
 
Posts: 1233
Joined: Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:18 pm GMT
Location: Denver, CO

Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:22 pm GMT

golddog wrote:From what I've heard, neither candidate took a stand on this, and it's not expected to come up in either the house or Senate.

Barney Frank (D -MA) has talked about repealing the UIGEA. Several other Democratic Congressmen have discussed regulating online gaming in the past, but knew they didn't have the numbers, and the President wouldn't sign it. That is likely different now.

Not that it will come up for sure, but it's a lot more plausible.
Suit Up!
User avatar
xDiamond_CutteRx
Moderator
 
Posts: 4666
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:26 am GMT
Location: Northern California

Postby khaosanroad » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:42 pm GMT

From what I understand Frank has a newer bill that doesn't repeal the UIGEA, but forces it to only enforce sports betting, and it also has items taking the responsibility off the hands of the bank.

This new bill has already been approved by his committee and I assume it will be put up for vote after the new Democratic congress is seated.

Obama will likely sign it into law.
poker-hegemon.blogspot.com
User avatar
khaosanroad
 
Posts: 506
Joined: Tue May 16, 2006 11:30 am GMT
Location: Saint Louis

Postby RoniDeutch » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:44 pm GMT

khaosanroad wrote:From what I understand Frank has a newer bill that doesn't repeal the UIGEA, but forces it to only enforce sports betting, and it also has items taking the responsibility off the hands of the bank.

This new bill has already been approved by his committee and I assume it will be put up for vote after the new Democratic congress is seated.

Obama will likely sign it into law.


Why would it still enforce sports betting? Totally stupid.
User avatar
RoniDeutch
 
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:37 pm GMT
Location: WTF

Postby UrAteUp » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:53 pm GMT

It's not stupid if you think about it. Sports betting is putting your money on the outcome of an event that you really have no control over. Poker on the other hand does involve skill and that skill can help you to determine the outcome.
Urateup

“The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.â€
User avatar
UrAteUp
Donktastic
 
Posts: 4984
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:18 pm GMT
Location: Missouri

Postby golddog » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:32 pm GMT

UrAteUp wrote:It's not stupid if you think about it. Sports betting is putting your money on the outcome of an event that you really have no control over. Poker on the other hand does involve skill and that skill can help you to determine the outcome.


If, of course, you believe in the first place that gambling is the tool of the devil and should be outlawed at all.

Or, we could be adults, treat it as entertainment for those who wish to partake, and let the government nave its take.
I'm not gambling. I am *winning*.

Richard Dreyfuss, Let it Ride
User avatar
golddog
Tournament Champion
 
Posts: 1233
Joined: Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:18 pm GMT
Location: Denver, CO

Postby UrAteUp » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:38 pm GMT

golddog wrote:
UrAteUp wrote:It's not stupid if you think about it. Sports betting is putting your money on the outcome of an event that you really have no control over. Poker on the other hand does involve skill and that skill can help you to determine the outcome.


If, of course, you believe in the first place that gambling is the tool of the devil and should be outlawed at all.

Or, we could be adults, treat it as entertainment for those who wish to partake, and let the government nave its take.


Very true but I mean if they are not going to over turn the whole thing then at least see why poker should be allowed to continue.
Urateup

“The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.â€
User avatar
UrAteUp
Donktastic
 
Posts: 4984
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:18 pm GMT
Location: Missouri

Postby HalfSugar » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:44 pm GMT

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... 401168.ece

Bullet point #28 - "He enjoys playing Scrabble and poker"
Guess what? I got a fever, and the only prescription, is more cowbell!
User avatar
HalfSugar
King Moderator
 
Posts: 5818
Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2003 5:20 pm GMT
Location: UK

Postby JohnnyCache » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:52 pm GMT

Obama was a regular in weekly games around his circle in chicago.
"Start late. Build slow. See the hate? Time to go.
--John Constantine on poker.

"I think the best way to pysche someone out is to outplay them." -Tiger Woods
User avatar
JohnnyCache
Moderator
 
Posts: 2647
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:03 pm GMT

Postby Kalbelgarion » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:45 pm GMT

Yeah. Given that Obama plays poker regularly, and is very upfront about it, I doubt he will go out of his way to make life difficult for us. With the UIGEA passed, it mostly up to the new administration to write and enforce the regs. With the righteous, anti-gambling crusaders out of office, things certainly shouldn't get any worse

Given the recent revelations of cheating at some online sites, I wouldn't be surprised if some legalizing/regulating legislation is advanced in the 111th Congress. I know personally that Barney Frank thinks that UIGEA is a load of crap for many reasons; he is not against legalizing and regulating the industry and he thinks that banks should not shoulder the burden of policing their customers.
In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.
User avatar
Kalbelgarion
 
Posts: 96
Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:51 am GMT
Location: Washington, DC


Return to Poker Prohibition

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests