OESD - thoughts on line.

[MrDarling]

I decided to limp for the first time in this game, since I've raised Sassy BB a couple of times and she is capable of restealing with air.
Once the SB raised (which was pretty tight)I decided I am priced in to call.

Pretty decent flop for me and I decided to represent a big hand. so far few people limped/call with AA/QQ PF

What can he call me with here?

Thoughts on all streets.

Hand #48958517-350 at UBOC13Dec16-005 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 16/Dec/07 22:19:20

DRedstone is at seat 0 with 43130.
bakontrakb73 is at seat 1 with 76070.
jdepa01 is at seat 2 with 38700.
amak316 is at seat 3 with 32560.
SassyTexan is at seat 5 with 55410.
3pounder is at seat 6 with 24560.
UCF_THAYER is at seat 7 with 11275.
NeddyFlanders is at seat 8 with 21725.
The Omaholic is at seat 9 with 21135.
The button is at seat 2.

DRedstone posts ante (150).
bakontrakb73 posts ante (150).
jdepa01 posts ante (150).
amak316 posts ante (150).
SassyTexan posts ante (150).
3pounder posts ante (150).
UCF_THAYER posts ante (150).
NeddyFlanders posts ante (150).
The Omaholic posts ante (150).
amak316 posts the small blind of 800.
SassyTexan posts the big blind of 1600.

DRedstone: Jd 9d
bakontrakb73: -- --
jdepa01: -- --
amak316: -- --
SassyTexan: -- --
3pounder: -- --
UCF_THAYER: -- --
NeddyFlanders: -- --
The Omaholic: -- --

Pre-flop:

3pounder folds. UCF_THAYER folds. NeddyFlanders
folds. The Omaholic folds. DRedstone calls.
bakontrakb73 folds. jdepa01 folds. amak316 raises
to 5200. SassyTexan folds. DRedstone calls.

Flop (board: Qh Td 4h):

amak316 bets 7600. DRedstone raises to 21000.
amak316 goes all-in for 27210. DRedstone calls.
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[Jernej Zorec]

though hand,
while amak could be trying to take the pot because u limped,
i dunno how u have been playing, hes pretty good player so
if u never limped or the table has been aggressive otherwise then i'd say his range is pretty narrow

as played flop is a bitch, when he leads out i dont think there is a lot of chance of him to be folding, flop is pretty coordinated with straight and flush draw possibility, i dont think he will lead here with intent to folding, so if u gonna do it then go all in but u could be against some pretty bad hands here
u are coinflip at best

[Felting]

I'd probably fold this hand preflop, but I probably play too tight as well. After his bet on the flop I'd say put him to the test for all his chips or fold. I'd lean toward folding, I think the best we could hope for here is to be up against AK which still means we have to catch something on the turn or river.

[MrDarling]

if anything I though my flop raise was too big. With stacks size its obvious I'm calling his push with ATC so by betting less my hands looks stronger then it is.

What range does he call my raise with? I thought he will need at least TPTK, and even that might consider a fold...

[Felting]

What range does he call my raise with? I thought he will need at least TPTK, and even that might consider a fold...

Range I would put him on(considering all action posted):

AK of hearts, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, TT are most likely holdings.

Ak, KJ, QT, KQ, A 10, JJ are much less likely but possible

[Jernej Zorec]

results please k tnx

[MrDarling]

he had 43o and I didn't catch any of my 15000 outs.
I was actually infront on the flop.

[Jernej Zorec]

just dont be results oriented and call him donk, his play is wasnt terrible, and u should also know u have no FE on flop

[MrDarling]

why don't I have FE on this flop? He only put a 1/3 of his stack in. If he his that good he has to realize he his behind even if all I have is a draw, and drawing real thin if I have TP or a bigger pair.

btw, I don't mind his PF move, but putting all your stack in the middle hoping for a coin flip at best is pretty week IMO, especially semi deep into the game.
If he folds to my flop raise he still have lots of play in him.

[MrDarling]

if someone could poker stove my range vs his hand, I'm not sure he is getting the right odds to make that play.

[Jernej Zorec]

yes against his hand, but this hand represents how much of his actual range?

i told u dont be results oriented and look how u played against this specific hand, he lead out with a pretty good sized bet where he cant fold more or less , and look at the flop its somewhat coordinated, ur the one who put the money in hoping for a flip at best

when he raises preflop considering its a decent raise u have to decide if he is squezing light then push , otherwise just fold

[kingetje]

43 hahaaaaa


how the hell can he shove that after you raise that amount? he has to know hes getting called

[MrDarling]

my point!

I agree my play is not perfect, but don't forget, I'm the one that basically putting him AI (if he's decent he know I'm calling and he doesn't have any FE)

TBH, I didn't think he was stealing PF since he seemed pretty tight. but felt I had the right odds to call.

On the flop, I thought I can get him to fold anything but TP or over pairs + I had outs if he did have those hands to call. OESD+BD flush

[tame_deuces]

Does it matter how he played the hand? No, not really.

Did you play the hand well? You ended up limp-calling with J9D with 20BB effective stacks. The majority of the time you're just giving your chips away and when not you're not making up for your initial investment. So I'd say no again.

[MrDarling]

very good point Tame.

The only reason the discussion turned into looking at his play is that it seems like he as a fan here.

This is the first big buyin event I played (though I did play FTOSP ME a year ago, but was soo bad that I didn't even realized how bad I was)

The game was very aggressive with lots of stealing and restealing and lots of moves... I almost never open limp and almost never protect suited connectors against a raise.

I have to say just before I busted I manged to built my stack to 2nd in the table, but then I got a bunch of semi playable hands and every time I opened someone pushed and I didn't feel I got the odds/hands to call (77, 99, AJ in EP) in the end I busted when I repushed cheapleader open with TT. He called with QJ. (he open/folded a lot)