playing a flush draw?

[mudsliptones]

suppose you hit a flush draw on the flop... You have the K or even A but nothing of a pair or straight draw....

do you play to get the flush?

[Kemics]

So you mean a situation roughly like this - If you have suited hole cards and the flop has two of the same suit.

Eg. You hold Ace 7 with a flop of

K T 2

In this sort of spot you need to use odds to decide if its a correct call. So

There are 52 cards in a deck. However we have already seen 5 (2 in our hand, 3 on the flop) so that leaves 47. Of those remaining 47 cards 9 are diamonds to complete our flush. Which means we have roughly a 5 - 1 chance of the next card being a diamond.

Lets assume the pot so far is $10. With one other player, he bets out $2.

The Pot in $10 and his bet is $2. So we have to bet, we can potentially win $12 for our calling bet of $2. Which means we are getting 'pot odds' of 6 - 1.

Because the money we stand to win. Is better odds we can make this a profitable call. However. If he had bet out $10 we would only be getting 2 - 1 which is no where near as good.

The only situation where you can call 'against the odds' is when you take into consideration 'implied odds'. Which basically means, although we are only getting 2 - 1 right now. If we do hit our flush and we know this guy is aggressive we can probably get the rest of his chips. So implied odds really mean how much money you think you can extract by hitting your hand.

Another thing to consider is 'reverse implied odds' which means if you are drawing to the K flush and the villain has the A flush draw. It means we can end losing all our chips because we over value our hand.

Hope this helps (someone please correct me if i got this wrong )

[Gunslinger]

we have roughly a 5 - 1 chance of the next card being a diamond.

You're mixing up your terminology a bit here.

We have a one OUT of 5 chance to hit our draw (about 20%). That means the odds AGAINST us are 4:1. So the pot needs to be laying us 4:1 for a call to be at least break even.

Your other examples are correct. If someone bets $2 into a $10 pot, we are getting 6:1 on our call. If someone makes a pot-sized $10 bet, we are getting 2:1 on our call.

[Kemics]

ah sorry, my bad. I always do that, i know what i mean

[Garth Paul]

Don't foreget implied odds.
extra bets you may receive if you hit your draw

[holdemhelpem]

The odds for completing your flush draw after the flop on either the turn or river are 34.967%. To complete on the turn is 19.15%, and to complete on river is 19.165%.

[adpro]

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The odds for completing your flush draw after the flop on either the turn or river are 34.967%. To complete on the turn is 19.15%, and to complete on river is 19.165%.

You need to know those turn and river odds. Don't really pay too close attention to hitting on the turn AND the river and what the odds are.

The reason why is you need to figure out if you are going to be able to make a call.

So, the flop just came out and you are 2nd to act. It's you and two other players. You have AK suited and you hit a flush draw, but nothing else. You raised pre-flop a decent amount.

Total pot at this point is $80

Player one says $30.
Should you call?

If you do the math, the pot is $110 and you have to call 30.

So, based on the math (without implied odds) you have to call (EDIT OUT 120) 30/110 of the pot. That's 27% of the pot. That's a fold. You can only call 19.15% or less.

However, if you know that player 3 is going to call 90% of the time, take 90% of his call (30*0.90=27) and add it to the pot+bet, then do your calculation again.

30/110+27
=30/137
=21% of the pot to call

Therefore, you want to fold.



Another thing to consider are the discounted outs. You have AK, right? Well, since you are only up against two other players, you might want to include 2 or 3 of the 6 A-K outs (3A's and 3K's) to make a pair. Your pair might win, because you can put these players on A-x or a pair.

If you include these, you could probably call.

If you add two outs, you have these calculations.

Turn:
9 flush outs + 2 pair outs = 11
11/47(cards left)
23% chance of winning on turn

River:
9 flush outs + 2 pair outs = 11
11/46(cards left)
24% chance of winning on river

[clarky]

In any flush draw, you must always consider on what else is going on at the table, of course you'll need to know who you are playing against, your position, the pot amount, the value of the blinds the stacks of your opponents. All of these factors will influence how you should play a hand.

[printz0r]

Total pot at this point is $80

Player one says $30.
Should you call?

If you do the math, the pot is $110 and you have to call 30.

So, based on the math (without implied odds) you have to call (EDIT OUT 120) 30/110 of the pot. That's 27% of the pot. That's a fold. You can only call 19.15% or less.

Shouldn't the risk and reward factor be (30/140)?

Think about if 2 people bet $1 on a coin flip. It is (1/(1+1)), which is a 2:1 reward factor. Risk is 1:2.
As far as I can tell your chance of winning has to be greater or equal to 1/reward factor in face value.

[clarky]

Whenever there is a flush draw on the flop and i am in the late position playing at a low limit table then i usually check because most people in low limit games call alot.