Pokertracker

[Dave B]

Is is cheating, why, why not? Discuss.

[Ensano]

you're using the information available to your best interest...

it's like trading stock but not using any programs or info from the internet...

football coaches not using game film on the other teams...

excetera..

[odlozilik]

I see nothing bad about using pokertracker, it just makes statistics, which we could do ourselves as well, just with much more effort.
Anyway, until now I somehow didn't notice I would play better using it. In some cases it might be even confusing. Or, I just didn't learn enough to use the informations the best way. And, when I play 10 tables, it freezes a little bit and I mostly don't wait till the numbers apear before I make a move.

[LeeG]

Since it is available for a modest fee to anyone who wants to use it, it is, at worst, a leveler.

It does allow people who multi-table to do so at higher level of play than would be possible without it. At least at lower limits, due to the huge fields, it seems to be of limited value other than analyzing your own play. I think it can even be misleading in tournaments due to the changing blinds and shrinking M's.

[eyemin]

Poker tracker is great. I also like Pokerace hud. Helpfull tools that give you reads on players.

[zinn0]

I understand that I've basically committed a sin by using a 2+2 meme, but I think it really fits.

[Phil14312]

Que diamond...

[supafrey]

I understand that I've basically committed a sin by using a 2+2 meme, but I think it really fits.

Like I said, funny trolls atleast are smart enough to make a joke. Or an interesting OP. This thread is basically one giant rickroll for mongs.

[supafrey]

/me waits for Dave to start a tipping thread

/me waits for Dave to start a HEY WHAT IF YOU HAVE ACES FIRST HAND AND EVERYONE IS ALL IN thread

/me waits for Dave to start a HEY I BET THOSE ONLINE PLAYERS AREN'T REALLY THAT GOOD DESPITE THEIR EXPONENTIALLY SUPERIOR POKER EXPERIENCE IN ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE MORE THAN ANY LIVE PLAYER COULD LITERALLY HAVE PLAYED IN THE PAST 40 YEARS.. thread

[miaowmiaowchowface]

cbf using it for stats, you play with mostly the same ppl all the time anyway above about 400NL

[jimmer]

Poker is about gaining an edge and this is another way to do that.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I don't have as much of a problem with PT I've realized as I do with HUD's, because those allow you to gain an edge while multi-tabling where you wouldn't otherwise. PT itself doesn't really let you get up to the minute stuff unless you pair it with a HUD, and PT has a lot of other features that are completely non-controversial.

I maintain my stance, however, that players should be able to opt out of being tracked automatically by these types of programs, and that sites should worry about this.

I also maintain that PT and HUDs have given the serious, better players such an advantage over the casual, fishy players that online Poker has undergone such a transformation when combined with various other factors, like increased multi-tabling, the Neteller and Party pull-out, the UIGEA, etc. I don't necessarily think the better players need the added advantage of PT, which almost no fish use (especially not well), but I'm not going to call it out and out cheating.

So quote me on it. No, PT is not cheating. Even HUDs are not cheating. I simply don't think they are good for the game, in the same sense that I believe Poker rooms' policy of running almost 100% small stakes NL Hold'em is not good for the game.

[tame_deuces]

There probably aren't many things that can make you as good a pokerplayer as learning to use pokertracker or a related tool.

Statistics is always the superior decisions platform when the outcomes are unknown and you have only limited information available, and any player who can go into the same mindset live will most likely do tons better than someone relying on tells, hunches and his/her own bias.

[MrDarling]

I did play two weeks of 16 tables without Pokertracker and sadly, I didn't do much poorly then I do now.

Could be that I run bad now, or that I run good then or I don't know what....

[Yozman]

how does pokertracker effect your play.

if their numbers are higher then you call with moderate hands, etc.

what is the 3rd number and how is it calculated