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Postby sully2112 » Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:43 am GMT

I was playing in a tourney on UB and I got 7 2 twice in a row and six out of ten hands. I was also getting alot of K 2, K 3, Q 2, Q 3, and many hands that were under 8 high. When I saw the flops of the other players, they all were decent hands. One guy was dealt JJ three times in a row :!: Needless to say I did not fair very well. I think I was dealt a pair higher than 99 once in 3 hours. Are the online shuffling systems prone to dealing nearly the same hand to the same player alot at a particular table or is this purely coinicidental?
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Postby BrianGre » Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:06 pm GMT

although I cannot speak directly to these systems, I can sympathize with you... :cry: I would like to think that they are programmed much better than that..


I read once somewhere that card-counting for Blackjack doesn't work online since most systems reshuffle after every hand...
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Postby Poker_Vendetta » Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:02 pm GMT

Let me just give a simple example of odds...By statistics you will get AA 1 out of every 221 hands. That is what the ODDS say. Now, it IS possible to get them once every 5,000 hands...That is odds, or you can get them three times in a row. It's unlikely, but NOT impossible. You can't change statistics...
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Postby TheMrLegendary » Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:22 am GMT

Another question about sites and their random number generation. Just read the topic about online cheating and you can see more of what i have to say.

I have been dealt AA back to back hands then gone a week without one after 8-10 hours a day. Just look at this years WSOP Final. Robert Varkoni or however you spell that ammys name was dealt AA i believe with just one hand between. Its on ESPN's day one of the WSOP. So it does happen.

If you goto a casino and sit down at a black jack table, MOST casinos will allow the use of books to learn what to do on certain hands. You can not under any condition write down something about a hand. However in poker you can write down anything really at all. In BJ the cards are dealt out of a shoe. Each round in BJ IS NOT an independent event. Each hand effects the others, by removing certain cards from the deck thus decreasing their frequency. This is how card counters do their magic. When they use their system to realize that more high cards are going to come up near the end of the shoe, because they memorized what came up before more or less. Now as in poker you can not count cards. As each hand is an independent event. The same 52 cards are randomly shuffled over and over. In BJ it can be a 6-deck shoe thus when a card is removed its gone until its reshuffled and refilled for the next batch in that shoe. So in BJ there are only 24 kings to be had in a 6 deck shoe. In poker there are 4 kings no matter how you shuffle or cut the deck, so their appearing is completely random and independent from any of the previous 100 hands. So there is your boring lesson in stats and odds. As for online sites, i dont know for sure of any site that doesnt refresh the deck after each hand in BJ, that way you can eliminate card counters. Those are fairly easy to spot in person i am told, though online it would be next to impossible. If you wonder how some sites may get their resource to ensure random card generation, goto PokerStars.com if my memory serves me and read how their cards are generated, very cool stuff.

May the Aces follow you in your hands this week!

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