good fold?

krakajak · by **krakajak** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:08 pm GMT

I'm the button in a multi-table with KJs. 5 people before me pay to see the flop, and the blinds are $50. Flop comes AAJ. It checks around to me. I bet $150. I start to get excited as everyone folds, but then the player to my right raises me $300. Was he bluffing or slow-playing his ace? I decided not to chance it and folded.
What should I have done differently? Maybe I shouldn't have bet at all. Maybe I should have bet less. Maybe I should have gone all in as soon as everyone checked to me. Maybe I should have called him. Maybe I should have re-raised. How would you have played this hand?

snoogins47 · by **snoogins47** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:45 pm GMT

I probably would've checked it down, and folded to any bet at that point.

6 people, unraised pot, somebody's almost certainly got an Ace.

I don't mind betting it out, to see where you're at, and possibly pick up the pot, but with 5 others in the hand, that's quite risky.

I think after that transpired as it did, your bet, and a check-raise, your best bet is definitely folding. Trip aces off the flop in a big pot is big enough for many people to instantly think "slowplay." If you had some convincing reason to believe he was just bluffing, then a re-raise would've been in order, I think. And even still, a re-raise isn't that bad of a play, as it might get a weak-ace out, and chances are, if it's an un-raised pot, the ace isn't that strong.

However, most people wouldn't lay down trip Aces with a 2 kicker, and again, since the pot was unraised initially, they're not too afraid of AK, AQ, etc.

So, while I wouldn't have made the initial bet most likely, after the bet, I think you did the right thing by laying it down.

Replic · by **Replic** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:47 pm GMT

In this situation, when you pair and there are only two overs, then yeah, you should have checked it down. Of course an ace holder is going to slowplay it!
All you have to do is check it and wait to see who bets out ff anxiousness.

Fat Tony · by **Fat Tony** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:41 pm GMT

laying it down is definitely the correct play. i think you should have checked rather than bet. JMO.

nicthestick · by **nicthestick** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:56 pm GMT

I dont know... I think a bet is correct. It lets you get away from a loser. Think how much you saved when the case J hits the river........

Replic · by **Replic** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:24 am GMT

A J wouldn't save him.

nicthestick · by **nicthestick** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:16 am GMT

I know.... A Jack Would give him the under boat and cost alot.

Verna · by **Verna** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:00 am GMT

There would be two things that I would have done. One I would have bet it and seen what the others players did. There is a pretty good chance that someone has an ace, especially if everyone limps in. I would also think that if someone had an ace in a 6 player pot, they would bet something because most likely atleast one other person would call with 5 other people in the pot. You don't want to check it so someone hits that straight or something. But most likely he had an ace and you were right to fold.

Dave B · by **Dave B** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:05 am GMT

if you had the chips, I would have considered reraising (depending on his play up to this point).

Anytime the last player is the 1st bettor, people will often reraise-just to see if you are betting position and dont have the cards. A reraise will tell them that you do. However, if the additional 300TC will cost you greater than 10-15% of your chips, then lay it down.

krakajak · by **krakajak** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:30 am GMT

Dave, I was down to less than 1000 after my bet, so I probably made a good fold. By the way, I was thinking about your Emerson quote. Did you ever think that maybe luck and cause and effect are the same thing?

krakajak · by **krakajak** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:30 am GMT

Dave, I was down to less than 1000 after my bet, so I probably made a good fold. By the way, I was thinking about your Emerson quote. Did you ever think that maybe luck and cause and effect are the same thing?

JimTheBullet · by **JimTheBullet** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:16 am GMT

I think a bet was the wrong play. In a pot like that anybody holding an ace will almost certainly check it first up. As somebody else said, there is probably not an AK or AQ out there as everybody limped so if I hold an ace in that pot then I will certainly stick with it since, even if I am outkicked, there will be a good chance of splitting (another high card would do probably depending on the kickers).

Most people would slow play the ace and then bet it on the turn. If it is checked round again to you then your bluff has a greater chance of succeeding because (a) you didn't bet the flop to a flop which demanded a slow play, perversely making some peole think you have it and (b) everybody else has acted for the second time and still nobody bet, indicating that they are weak.

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