Dump or Call

[mortaleclipse]

PokerStars Game #14253429481: Tournament #71862256, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/01/01 - 17:51:35 (ET)
Table '71862256 254' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mikeefu (3290 in chips)
Seat 2: illn8urd (1700 in chips)
Seat 3: Fantasmo (6200 in chips)
Seat 4: poleaze (1655 in chips)
Seat 5: Mortal420 (8150 in chips)
Seat 6: STARSCHAMP1 (4130 in chips)
Seat 7: SeeThruMe (820 in chips)
Seat 8: msponce (1840 in chips)
Seat 9: jpagcan (3205 in chips)
poleaze: posts small blind 50
Mortal420: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mortal420 [8s 6s]
Mortal420 said, "did not mean to do that"
STARSCHAMP1: folds
SeeThruMe: folds
msponce: folds
jpagcan: folds
mikeefu: folds
illn8urd: folds
Fantasmo: raises 200 to 300
poleaze: folds
Mortal420: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Qh 8h 4h]
Mortal420: checks
Fantasmo: bets 600
Mortal420: calls 600
*** TURN *** [Qh 8h 4h] [3c]
Mortal420: checks
Fantasmo: bets 1800
Mortal420: calls 1800
*** RIVER *** [Qh 8h 4h 3c] [3d]
Mortal420: checks
Fantasmo: bets 3500 and is all-in
Mortal420: ??????????

Info on villin, havent done anything to nutty since been at table for 20 minutes.

[Felting]

fold preflop, wait for better position and hand.

As played, fold. All we beat is a bluff.

[Muck]

What was your plan/thinking behind each street? I don’t understand the passive check-call’s on the flop and turn.

I can understand the pre-flop call, although I don’t like it much, but on the flop I think I would have lead out with a bet.

I like betting a rag flop when I’m in the big or small blind because people are more likely to believe you hit some of that c**p, maybe even two cards. If he comes over the top or calls you’re probably beat.

The flush here is nasty because he might be thinking you were drawing with a heart and now that you’ve reached the river he figures you’ve missed and his AK is good. Or he might have AQ and had you beat from the start.
The calls make it hard to work out where we are here, but if I had to make a choice on the river I would probably fold. He’s seen you call a raise pre-flop, call a bet on the flop and call a bet on the turn, so a river bluff looks unlikely.

[MrDarling]

I pretty much dislike every street.

I don't protect my BB that much, especially not before the ante kicks in.
If I do, I much rather 3bet PF.

If I do find my self seeing a raised pot with SC hands I don't go much further unless I flop 2 pairs or better
unless I have a strong read.

[mortaleclipse]

He had 10/6o and I take down massive, read was dead on here.

[Jernej Zorec]

u cant fold that river once u call flop and turn

[tame_deuces]

He had 10/6o and I take down massive, read was dead on here.

Info on villin, havent done anything to nutty since been at table for 20 minutes.

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4-barreling air might not be completely wild, but if he hasn't done anything nutty I don't see how you can have such read.

[mortaleclipse]

well, not sure exactly to tell you the truth of my idiot call that was correct. Im putting together a video of some similar situations of hands i will be posting within a week. Will talk about deep stack play in tourneys and playing bubble posistion.

[Muck]

Im putting together a video of some similar situations of hands

What software do you use?

Is it freeware? I have video editing software but nothing to tape my desktop and mic.
I wouldn't mind doing some videos myself just because I think they provide a very quick and easy insight into your thought processes and provide a better overview of you as a player, so good for getting feedback.

[mortaleclipse]

Im putting together a video of some similar situations of hands

What software do you use?

Is it freeware? I have video editing software but nothing to tape my desktop and mic.
I wouldn't mind doing some videos myself just because I think they provide a very quick and easy insight into your thought processes and provide a better overview of you as a player, so good for getting feedback.

Im using Camtasia video, very nice and easy to use. Guys from card runner use it. Its a 300$ program but comes with 30 day trail which im using atm. Putting together some video stuff so can get feedback also show some pointers (well hopefully) in deep stack play in late MTT's.

[Muck]

Cheers mate I'll check it out