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odlozilik · by **odlozilik** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:38 am GMT

Stage #942098491: Holdem No Limit $4 - 2008-03-26 17:21:34 (ET)

Table: COURT ST (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer

Seat 4 - WAHA ($996.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - NZMANTIS ($320.30 in chips)
Seat 6 - _YAKITORI_ ($812.10 in chips)
Seat 1 - ODLOZILIK ($807.40 in chips)
Seat 2 - PAUL771 ($1851.90 in chips)
Seat 3 - ILLUSIONSSS ($1007.10 in chips)

NZMANTIS - Posts small blind $2
_YAKITORI_ - Posts big blind $4

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [Ks Kd]

ODLOZILIK - Raises $12 to $12
PAUL771 - Calls $12
ILLUSIONSSS - Folds
WAHA - Folds
NZMANTIS - Raises $60 to $62
_YAKITORI_ - Calls $58
ODLOZILIK - ??

Ensano · by **Ensano** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:20 am GMT

if you can't see the reason to raise 200+ then I just don't know what to say...

kingetje · by **kingetje** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:24 am GMT

4bet that pony and get it in

Muck · by **Muck** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:36 am GMT

You have 200xBB but I'm probably just going for it here and if I run into AA so be it.

odlozilik · by **odlozilik** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:40 am GMT

Well, I raised from UTG and I think my image is pretty tight (if they have reads on me at all), and I still got reraised and flat called. Isn't it too risky to push for 200BB here? Isn't the probability I run into AA too high?

Felting · by **Felting** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:41 pm GMT

At least 4bet it to 180 then and see what happens.

Muck · by **Muck** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:13 pm GMT

odlozilik wrote:Well, I raised from UTG and I think my image is pretty tight (if they have reads on me at all), and I still got reraised and flat called. Isn't it too risky to push for 200BB here? Isn't the probability I run into AA too high?

I duno. At $25NL or $30NL I'm risking it. 6 handed even more so. The whole "when should you fold Kings" thing holds up less at cheap stakes but at these I suppose you shouldn't count it out.

It's been said already I think that now isn't the time to decide if you want to fold. If you re-raise to 200 and someone comes back at you then seems to be the time.

Worst option seems to be the call, but I don't think anyone's considering that.

MrDarling · by **MrDarling** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:44 pm GMT

What are your reads on them?
1st, You got 3b by the SB which doesn't even sit with 100BB, vs him I go AI all day long. His range is much wider then just AA. If he is tight (which I doubt) his range his AJ+, JJ+ .
Now the BB that sits with 200BB flat called. AA is a really small part of his range. He's more likely on 99+ and maybe AK (though most players will 4B AK)

So as you can see you crush their range.

kingetje · by **kingetje** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:45 pm GMT

not everyone at the table is 200BBs deep. the only others are the UTG+1 guy who flatcalled, were not afraid of him. then theres the BB who cold-called the SB's 3bet..... he's the only one you should be scared of having AA.... and i doubt it. its possible that he coldcalled w AA but he's inviting 2 others in behind him creating a 4 way pot out of position for him... so doesnt look like AA on his part at all if you ask me. there are a shitload of other hands he could have besides AA here... you have to go with this....

dont 4bet and fold to a 5bet either...

Ensano · by **Ensano** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:06 pm GMT

if you 4bet and someone 5bets i don't think you can fold that ever.. even if the bigstack 5bets pushes you're still getting 2:1 on your money..

UrAteUp · by **UrAteUp** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:24 pm GMT

I'm pushing here most of the time. My feeling is shorty is trying to get you in with AK. Big stack probably JJ or QQ. If I run into AA then my next move is to post how stupid I was right here in the forum and get feedback.

:lol:

odlozilik · by **odlozilik** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:47 am GMT

UrAteUp wrote: If I run into AA then my next move is to post how stupid I was right here in the forum and get feedback.

LOL!

Well, my hope was if someone has AA, it should be the short stack, because why the hell the deep one would just call with AA? Or, could he be so tricky and sure I will 4bet them so that he can 5bet me back? Anyway, my thinking was wrong:

Stage #942098491: Holdem No Limit $4 - 2008-03-26 17:21:34 (ET)

Table: COURT ST (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer

Seat 4 - WAHA ($996.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - NZMANTIS ($320.30 in chips)
Seat 6 - _YAKITORI_ ($812.10 in chips)
Seat 1 - ODLOZILIK ($807.40 in chips)
Seat 2 - PAUL771 ($1851.90 in chips)
Seat 3 - ILLUSIONSSS ($1007.10 in chips)

NZMANTIS - Posts small blind $2
_YAKITORI_ - Posts big blind $4

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [Ks Kd]

ODLOZILIK - Raises $12 to $12
PAUL771 - Calls $12
ILLUSIONSSS - Folds
WAHA - Folds
NZMANTIS - Raises $60 to $62
_YAKITORI_ - Calls $58
ODLOZILIK - All-In(Raise) $795.40 to $807.40
PAUL771 - Folds
NZMANTIS - All-In $258.30
_YAKITORI_ - Calls $745.40
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s 6h]
*** TURN *** [Js 6s 6h] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Js 6s 6h 3s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ODLOZILIK - Shows [Ks Kd] (Two Pair, kings and sixes)
NZMANTIS - Shows [As Kh] (One pair, sixes)
_YAKITORI_ - Shows [Ah Ac] (Two Pair, aces and sixes)
_YAKITORI_ Collects $972.70 from side pot-1
_YAKITORI_ Collects $970.90 from main pot

That day I have pushed all in with KK 3 times, in 3 different limits, and each time I run into AA; it costed me 1.4K. Well, so I dropped down a little bit to 0.25/0.5 to grind it back (and suffered squads over squads, lol!) But it was good there anyway.

gumbie · by **gumbie** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:55 am GMT

If I am the cold caller there, the only hand I ever have is AA.

Felting · by **Felting** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:58 am GMT

gumbie wrote:If I am the cold caller there, the only hand I ever have is AA.

And you are cold calling specifically to try to induce a 3bet correct?

odlozilik · by **odlozilik** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:42 am GMT

gumbie wrote:If I am the cold caller there, the only hand I ever have is AA.

Well, you had to say this before I posted the results.

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