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[rich8]

I've playing on Pokerstars with play money - accumulated 80K+. I've been playing just for practice for my monthly game.

Now I want to start playing for real money. Maybe deposit $100 or so.

1) Am I allowed? I havent kept up with any recent rulings.

2) What is the best way to deposit money without much fees?

Sorry if this has been discussed. I'm too lazy to read through all those threads about poker prohibition.

[supafrey]

1. Yes. There is no law that says U.S. citizens cannot play online poker.

2. Almost every site has now started re-accepting visa/mastercard. There is 0 fees on the major sites for depositing with a credit card.

[Dave B]

Once again, Supa couldnt be more wrong. Several states have made online poker illegal. What state are you from?

Also, unless you know someone that is already doing it, through someone a here a bone and let them refer you (I dont play pokerstars, so I have nothing to gain, but many would gladly take and extra $25, $50, $100 or whatever they offer for doing next to nothing).

[supafrey]

Once again, Supa couldnt be more wrong. Several states have made online poker illegal. What state are you from?

Also, unless you know someone that is already doing it, through someone a here a bone and let them refer you (I dont play pokerstars, so I have nothing to gain, but many would gladly take and extra $25, $50, $100 or whatever they offer for doing next to nothing).

This person is clearly talking about the UIGEA legislation. You are one of the most pedantic buttholes ever.

Either way, if it was "illegal" in your state to play online poker before the new legislation, it still is. The reforms in NO way made it illegal for an individual to play cards, which is what many average people believe. I was correcting that assumption.

Even if it was already "illegal" to play, no American has ever been tried, prosecuted, or summarily convicted of playing online poker (to the best of my knowledge, and according to several websites). You are safe to play (but I am not a lawyer).

[Dave B]

Also an acceptable response from Supa:

"Sorry, once again, I was wrong."

[zinn0]

why don't you homos just have a steel-cage deathmatch already.

[Dave B]

I am game. We can do it on the boarder that runs down Lake of the Woods on a floating pontoon cage.

[supafrey]

Also an acceptable response from Supa:

"Sorry, once again, I was wrong."

Yeah just like I was last time. I went to rama last night to play their 2/5nl game and specifically searched for the rule we were fighting over last time. On the wall, in two inch black letters, were the words:

"The dealer will always award the pot to any winning hand that turns both cards face up."

Several rules later:

"Players are expected to assist the dealer to insure the proper integrity of the game".

You, like most deluded middle aged republicans, don't actually believe in the real world. You just make whatever rules you believe apply to yourself and then when you get called on it you equivocate whatever false logic you think applies. You literally told me "in my years of playing I have never seen these rules posted" and then sarcastically mentioned that I must be going around looking for giant billboards that say whatever I want. I went in to my casino, looked at the giant 10 foot wall of rules, and wrote out word for word that what you were saying in the other thread was undeniably 100% wrong. You still think otherwise. That is because you are stupid.

[Dave B]

I never said that you didn't see what you saw. I merely stated that I had read several posted rules recently in LV rooms that I had not played before and saw nothing to that effect. I also reviewed and posted the link the Canterbury's rule and they mention nothing like that either.

Stupid and naive is seeing one thing in your small, obscure, isolated part of the world and assuming that the rest of the world must be the same.

Remember, it is better to remain silent and let people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Keep talking my friend.


The amusing part about that whole prior argument was that you were arguing about something that was not even in dispute. No one ever said that a tabled winner shouldn't be awarded a pot. The thread was about talking about hands that you were not involved with (or even seated at the table per the OP) or when is a hand mucked or not.

Please post a quote where I was wrong and I will gladly admit it. That is what a man does. An immature, hippy, liberal, moron changes the story fit his comments.


"Though I do not doubt that you have seen signs posting house rules saying that players can correct a dealer's misread, I have not.

Here is an example:

http://www.canterburypark.com/uploadedF ... Club/Card_ Club_Documents/hold%20em%20rules.pdf


I also made special care to read posted rules at IP, Bally's and TI, since I hadnt played much there. There was no mention of players correcting dealers.


God Bless you Supa."

[supafrey]

Please post a quote where I was wrong and I will gladly admit it. That is what a man does.

BB one early raise to $10-12 NL 1/2 and 6 callers, I push $130 w/ red JJ and all fold to the SB who tanks forever. He finally calls and I have him covered. Board comes AKxxx w/ 4 spades and I show my hand. He stands up and shows pocket 4s and walks away.

2 people say come back you have a flush. To me, that is bull shit. Shut your damn mouth, it is NONE of your business. If he is too stupid to realize he won, let him leave.

I asked 6-7 dealers later and all but one said that he essentially mucked. The one exception said ti would have to be a floor decision. They cant push a pot to an absent player. Their job is to push the cards (4 spades, not AKx) out to show the winning hand. If he leaves, it is my pot.

"The dealer will always award the pot to any winning hand that turns both cards face up."

"He stands up and shows pocket 4s and walks away"
Several rules later:

"Players are expected to assist the dealer to insure the proper integrity of the game".2 people say come back you have a flush. To me, that is bull shit. Shut your damn mouth, it is NONE of your business. If he is too stupid to realize he won, let him leave.

They cant push a pot to an absent player.

In the words of Raisebot, a professional, full-time dealer in vegas: And Dave, I 100% disagree. Just because a player walks away does not make his chips yours. His money was in, and his hand was tabled. Judging from your original post, if his hand was tabled and his money was in and he held a clear winner (or even not so clear in your case, slight pun intended), then the money belongs to him and you have zero right to it. This isn't a tournament where people can have penalties and chips impounded and cards declared dead if they're not with their ass in their chair when the 2nd button card hits, etc.

Raisebot nailed it on the head several times in his post, actually:

*In a max buy in game, another player can't give you chips to put you over the max. This is relevant because if even if the guy won the hand without question, but he was a billionaire that really didn't care about the money and was walking away and said I don't care, keep the money and add it to your stack, you legally wouldn't be able to. So let me guess, your next statement would be that you would be content on putting his money in your pocket instead of on the felt?

Not awarding the appropriate player the pot is the equivalent of them either:

1. Not following the first rule that I posted
2. Following the appropriate rule, allowing for a player to walk out of the room, and essentially allowing you to steal money from their stack which is both theft and putting you over the max buyin for the game.

Any other player at the table talking is insuring the integrity of the game, because it is the dealer's job to follow the rules, and one of them is to ship the pot to two flipped winning cards.

Please post a quote where I was wrong and I will gladly admit it. That is what a man does.

I am waiting, woman.

[Dave B]

I am waiting, there is nothing there that I said that was wrong.

Is quoting what dealers say wrong?

Is letting the dealer and floor decide what to do with an absent player wrong?

Raisebot later agreed with me that other players should stay out of it.

I NEVER did ANYTHING to attempt to steal a pot or DID ANYTHING to ask for a pot that I didnt deserve. I even said that if the floor decided that an absent player tips the dealer the whole pot, I would have laughed. To call me a thief is ridiculous and completely baseless. I never said a word to anyone.


Again, the written word is difficult, it doesn't allow you to put words in my mouth and twist what was actually stated.

[supafrey]

Shut your damn mouth, it is NONE of your business

"Players are expected to assist the dealer to insure the proper integrity of the game"

Yeah you're definitely not equivocating at all!

He stands up and shows pocket 4s and walks away.
2 people say come back you have a flush. To me, that is bull shit. Shut your damn mouth, it is NONE of your business. If he is too stupid to realize he won, let him leave.

I asked 6-7 dealers later and all but one said that he essentially mucked.

I am waiting, there is nothing there that I said that was wrong.

Is quoting what dealers say wrong?

Actually, you stated a personal opinion (which you are attributed responsibility for), and then you supported your supposition by falsely pleading to authority through hearsay.

This is the logical equivalent of saying:

"I think there are totally martians on pluto! And I asked 5 scientists afterwards and they agreed with me."

Then someone comes up to you and shows you proof that there are no martians on pluto, and you say:

"HEY DID I EVER SAY THERE WEREN'T? NO! I JUST SAID I ASKED FIVE GUYS! HAHA YOU NEVER PROVED ME WRONG!"

This is, quite literally, the definition of equivocating. This is pathetic. What happened to taking responsibility for your words and ideas, "man"?

[Dave B]

You keep going back to house rules at your local casino that are not anywhere else. Are you saying that you have the same rules as all Harrah's properties? Maybe Raisebot can chime in here, he said [Dave B wrote:


What I didnt appreciate was people who were not in the hand commenting on it.

"Definitely agree. "]-and he deals at Caesars, this was at Ballys-all Harrah's properties. Do they have a post rule that players should assist dealers? If they do, I havent seen it.


I never stated an opinion. I just referenced what I was told would happen. But like I said 1000 times, it isn't for the players who arent in the hand to decide (*just for you, with the expection being if it is a clearly posted, well know house rule that exists in one known casino existing in a different country), it is the house and the floor. Hell, at the time, I didnt know what I was sweating, so when he showed 4s and walked away I didnt see the flush either. The river was dealt and he saw my hand then tossed his cards face up and left.


We all know that Martians wouldn't be on Pluto. Martians live on Mars. Pluto has Plutonians. Duh.

[supafrey]

So the only time you will admit defeat is when I go to every poker room in the country to reconfirm what I've already reconfirmed and know as fact?

Whatever you want, gramps.

[Dave B]

What have you reconfirmed, that you saw what you saw? I conceded that a year ago.

What will convince me that it is OK for others at the table to tell someone in doubt that he has won?

Just post or link Harrah's rules stating that is a rule there.

I found Canterbury's and it mentions nothing. I found no other rules specific to any casino in a quick seach. I have never seen that rule before in 20 or so rooms that I have played.

Are you denying that house rules differ from place to place? Are you saying that your home Canadian casino has the same rules at LV? Rules differ between Harrahs and MGM properties, how do you reconcile that?