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[supafrey]

Better question: Is it against the rules for a person to speak up about what's going on around them?

Is it against the rules for another player to declare your hand for you, after you flip it over?

How do you reconcile the fact that Raisebot has already clearly stated that there is no way to "surrender" a pot, if your cards are better than your opponent and the dealer sees this? (I've requoted this, you've ignored it, because you mistakenly believe that when raisebot says "other people" shouldn't talk he's referring to other people at the table, when he's actually talking about observers/railbirds). When you have two better cards, you win the hand. You can't tell the dealer to move your money over to the other guy. This could easily lead to chip dumping/angle shooting between partners.

Saying that "there are different rules in different places" is lovely, but doesn't answer our question practically nor morally. I have found the specific evidence you asked for, and I know for a fact that I've declared other people's hands for them in Vegas and had the dealer ship them the pot. Raisebot, a pro dealer, disagrees with you. You are misinterpreting what he said and using it to support your false supposition. You are wrong.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with other people, who were dealt cards, to speak up and say whatever they feel is right.

Lets say you and George Bush are playing cards at the casino, but also happen to be working as a team. You happen to be a significantly worse NL player than George (because, frankly, you're horrible at NL) so you plan on chip dumping to him. On a suited board, you go crazy and push all the other players out of the pot, except for George. You're waiting to chip dump to him, you signal to him that you have a bad hand and then push all in. He calls.

You say "oh i guess I was bluffing", then you laugh and throw your pocket 4s face up on the table to laugh. Little do you know you've actually misread your cards, and that one diamond is a heart, making you a baby flush. I happen to also be sitting at the table, and know for a fact that neither you nor George have any morals, and that you're a significantly worse poker player. I notice that the dealer has ignored the winning hand and is pushing George the pot. I start screaming "hey, don't help out those chip dumpers, that racist, ignorant pompous and fat american guy won, not George!" The dealer notices the fact that you've actually won, and tries to push the pot to you. You say "oh gosh no! wasn't me throwing my cards face up a concession of the pot? I was already getting dressed to leave to my NRA/KKK combination fundraiser over at my Church!" Andrew the dealer (raisebot) informs you that you've won the pot, but that you are free to step outside/church wherever you want and they'll keep an eye on your chips while you get a dinner break button. You say "no i don't deserve this" and hand your money to George. The dealer informs you that that would put him over the max buyin for the table. You say fine and hand it to him off the table, then rebuy for another 500. I immediately call the supervisor and inform them that the redneck over at my table is going south. The supervisor threatens to kick you out if you don't put the money back on to your stack. You threaten to beat my liberal ass, then remember that you're like 85 years old and I'm a buff superstar in the prime of my life. I laugh at you. You tell me I should butt out because I wasn't involved in the hand. I laugh at you again.

This is basically how it is.

[Dave B]

In your example, both players are at the table. In mine, one is gone.

I never disagreed with Raisebot or anyone's interpretation of the rule.

You think you know everything, you clearly do not.

[supafrey]

I was already getting dressed to leave to my NRA/KKK combination fundraiser over at my Church!"

You don't read good. You getting up and trying to run away from the table before anyone says anything would not change what happens if I notice the mistake, and correct the dealer as he's collecting the money/shipping it. The money would be shipped to your spot, you would be given 2 orbits to return, and then you would be racked and your money held by the casino until you return.

[Dave B]

Actually, in most spots it isn't two orbits. You would get a missed blind chip when your 1st blind comes. When the next dealer comes, they give you a 2nd chip indicating that you are missing. When the next dealer sits down, you are then picked up.

Things are different depending on where you play, but that process is the most typical. It takes anywhere from 30-60 minutes.

Why do hippies always throw around vicious stereotypes when they are met with common sense? I think you have issues Supa. I worry about you.

[supafrey]

Actually, in most spots it isn't two orbits. You would get a missed blind chip when your 1st blind comes. When the next dealer comes, they give you a 2nd chip indicating that you are missing. When the next dealer sits down, you are then picked up.

The money would be shipped to your spot, you would be given 2 orbits to return, and then you would be racked and your money held by the casino until you return.

These two statements are essentially identical. You're arguing semantics and putting the word "actually" before it to make it sound like you have a point. This is because you realize that you've failed to make any logical conclusions on the actual point of contention.

You literally just said yet another point that I immediately refuted. "In your example both players are at the table. In mine, one was gone". This was your pathetic attempt to debase my point because you are arguing that my analogy wasn't sound... I have now reconfirmed that this scenario would be no different whether 1 person was at the table, or 2, or neither. You are wrong. Instead of admitting this or referring to it, you argue irrelevant tangential semantics and try to act condescending about it. That is the last refuge of an idiot that has been proven wrong.

There is nothing "manly" about you. Men know how to use logic, men take responsibility for their actions, and men don't deflect points when they've been continuously shown to be talking out of their ass. Every single one of your replies has been picked apart and found lacking, but instead of conceding a point, you desperately jump from one idea to another and think winning minor points on syntax shows how smart you are. You're embarrassing yourself.

[Dave B]

Very different, it could be 5-6 orbits.

[supafrey]

Very different, it could be 5-6 orbits.

Most trolls have brains, which is why they are funny. What do you have?

[zinn0]

why don't you homos just have a steel-cage deathmatch already.

[UrAteUp]

why don't you homos just have a steel-cage deathmatch already.

ROFLMAO...steel-cage?...they probably want a cage made from flowers.