The Moon

[supafrey]

The real question is though : Who the f*ck cares?

Does it really matter if we went to the moon or not?

Well , it is interesting.I admit I dont care if they did go or not so much....although I think USA should care, bearing in mind they gave a sick amount to NASA in taxes to fund Apollo missions.

Check out the post flight conference if you wanna see 3 astronauts clearly afraid they're gonna get found out ... eh , ive had enuf fun with this topic for a bit...nice ruffling feathers tho.

Absolutely noone's feathers came even close to being ruffled. At this point the idea of someone condescendingly thinking their conspiracy theory gives them some sort of cynical "brains" that other people "just don't get, maaaan" is laughable when nobody even takes these "radical" ideas seriously.

First off, the things you're attacking would have to be "important" to us. Getting to the moon/aliens at roswell not happening/muslim people blowing up the WTC are widely accepted "truths" but even these "facts" are simply not the valued institutions they once were (or maybe they never were, I'm not sure and am too young to know for certain). This is a post-modern age where people don't even really care what the truth is all that much, let alone agree on what One Truth specifically is. The blind idol-like worship of JFK made his conspiracy fascinate some individuals, but these days the idea of government lying to us is a cynical resignation most of us are willing to make. It's not whether they're fibbing (duh), but whether they're lying/omitting about something we value. Whether we got to the moon ain't it no more.

Secondly, for you to ruffle anything you'd have to present coherent arguments (although any actual points in complete sentences would be a nice start).

[Ciso_B]

mr darlings response suggested to me that raising the issue bothered him...but i ll tell ya what pav, since you asked for a proper point or argument to be made coherently , I will type on up after my session tonight.

[Ciso_B]

Like I said, I dont really care all that much if they did fake the apollo moon landings. But I have spent a couple days this week , lookin up the footage, watchin the rare interviews the astronauts gave. I also checked out why these notions of "conspiracy theory" would be drawn up.. and tried to understand why they would fake it.

I found some pretty interesting stuff, like russia were beating usa in the "space race" , and were getting all the firsts (first dog to space, first woman, and sputnik etc), and America were clearly losing. NASA had a sick amount invested to them from american taxe payers and they had to have something to show. I read somewhere that Stanley Kubrick (best director at the time) was approached by NASA to film and photograph the entire thing to make it look convincing (said to be recorded on a movie set made in area 51). A funny thing i read about this director was althoug he was sworn not to tell, the wiley director apparently left clues in some of his films, i can't recite them cos i haven't seen all of his, just clock work orange. But the last film he did in the late 90's he specifically asked to be released on july 16? 1999, 30 years to the day of the moon landing, the films title ? "Eyes Wide Shut",meant to suggest that we're oblivious to the fact they didnt go.
Some see moon landing as a distraction to the vietnam war, especially since its culmination and closure of apollo missions coincide with the ending of the vietnam war.

Still, these are just bullcrap ideas with no substantial weight behind it. But you can very easily download footage from the missions off the nasa site. I downloaded just 1 2minute clip, and if you're lookin for it, you can see the wires clearly above the helmets of the suits. The shadows converging despite their only being one source of light supposedly (sun) etc are most peoples argument , and the fact the flag waved despite the fact that there is no atmosphere on the moon.
There was some real dumb stuff too like the fact that lunar module (thing we came in), was meant to weight 10,000 lbs, yet look at the photos, and theres not even a crater underneath or mess.It's as if its been placed.
Bart Sibrel, a pretty extreme believer in the moon landing hoax idea, sought out all the living astronauts 2 years ago (ish), and tried to get them to swear on the bible they went, neil armstrong himself refusing $5,000, only 1 of them accepted and he claimed to be unreligious. The interesting thing i found from these clips, was the fact that all of them acted in an agressive manner when queried.
You only have to look at the fact that neil armstrong, the first man on the moon has never had any interviews on tv. The post match conference and the odd word at anniversarys aside.

I honestly aint fussed either way if they went but looking at everything I've seen recently, I think the most likely scenario is this - NASA tried with all their might to get there, but clearly didn't have the capability. Many astronauts have died in just practice events etc, and they had nothing substantial to show for the years of work. So when they said they're sending Apollo 11 to the moon , 98% of employees along with the rest of the world beleived it.What really happened was they filmed the footage prior to the event (photos/film etc), then sent apollo 11 to orbit earth for a few days before returning safely.
They say the russians and chinese knew immediately, and an outlandish idea but altogether possible is that rather then "leak" out the information , which once leaked would have no power of USA. They blackmailed them for a great deal of money. Again, this is a bit out there and could be bullshit, but certainly fathomable.

With everyothing weighted up , I highly doubt usa sent man to the moon for the most obvious reasons though. Why haven't we been since? Surely technology is more advanced now then 40 years ago, yet we haven't returned.
You can point to moon rocks as evidence to the fact we went, and I wouldn't be able to rebuttal. That would be able the only thing I wouldn't be able to talk on ,cos I haven't read anything regarding the moon rocks.

Couple of you tube links that I find interesting/funny to do with all this :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62 ... playnext=1

Post Flight interview - Don't exactly look like people who've just been to the moon. Think you'd be a bit more upbeat no?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xiVXd6lRU ... re=related

this is shortened version of that twip bart sibrel, he found a reel of the apollo 11 where they clearly stage appearing to be half way to the moon. The longer version has Buzz not wanting to be on camera while hes shown
the footage that apparently noyone from the public has seen.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

This is just a small clip showing wire supports , to relieve the weight while they move on.


well, dont wanna clog post up with links, but those ones above are all somewhat interesting.

[Jernej Zorec]

there was no reason to go again
they have the rocks, they got there first

time to collect the data and study it
also moon rocks are real, they were sent to many labs around the world to countries on both sides of iron courtain, those rocks are not fake
that have traces of radiation that simply can not happen on earth or in its orbit.

the damage the craft , the gear and the people got from space radiation
also can't be faked hardly even now let alone so many years ago


and u say that all astronouts are kinda craky when asked aboput it,
well yes they are u are part of something then some morons keep saying its a lie and ask u stupid questions about it for next 40 years

ffs u insta leave IRC when u bust out of a MTT and they are supposed to take this bullshit for 40 years and be happy about it?

[Kemics]

i was gonna go for a point by point rebuttal but i dont want to waste all the e-trees.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxa ... tml#crater - got to this website and there is a scientific and logical explanation for every point raised. (more stuff here too - http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/)

that explains away all the omg! stuff about shadows, wires, craters etc. But how to prove they did go?

Moon rocks are absolutely unique," says Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects," he added.

"For example," explains Dr. Marc Norman, a lunar geologist at the University of Tasmania, "lunar samples have almost no water trapped in their crystal structure, and common substances such as clay minerals that are ubiquitous on Earth are totally absent in Moon rocks."

see caption"We've found particles of fresh glass in Moon rocks that were produced by explosive volcanic activity and by meteorite impacts over 3 billion years ago," added Norman. "The presence of water on Earth rapidly breaks down such volcanic glass in only a few million years. These rocks must have come from the Moon!"

Right: A glass spherule (about 0.6 mm in diameter) produced by a meteorite impact into lunar soil. Features on the surface are glass splashes, welded mineral fragments, and microcraters produced by space weathering processes at the surface of the moon. SEM image by D. S. McKay (NASA Photo S71-48109)

they did shoot JFK though

[gumbie]

They went to the moon, but the "live" footage was faked. It's that simple.

[kompis]

just read the links that kemics posted. seems like there is a logical explanation for everything the conspiracy theory people can come up with. gg baldo

[HalfSugar]

just read the links that kemics posted. seems like there is a logical explanation for everything the conspiracy theory people can come up with.

There always is but as Supa says, the tin foil hat brigade choose not to bother with it and continue with their theories instead.

I love how YouTube is full of 'CLASSIFIED' footage. It must take a lot of energy to be a proper nutty conspiracy theorist and it must be a shitty way to live.

[Dave B]

Geno doesnt care about the moon, he just wants to land on (in) Uranus.

[Muck]

just read the links that kemics posted. seems like there is a logical explanation for everything the conspiracy theory people can come up with.

There always is but as Supa says, the tin foil hat brigade choose not to bother with it and continue with their theories instead.

[quote="Road Trip"]
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[Ciso_B]

[quote="gumbie"]They went to the moon, but the "live" footage was faked. It's that simple.[/quote

actually yeah , I could see this.

[Ensano]

makes sence that they'd need studio footage for many possible reasons....

assume they did but said that the footage didn't turn out... no one would belive...

[UrAteUp]

makes sence that they'd need studio footage for many possible reasons....

assume they did but said that the footage didn't turn out... no one would belive...

Kind of like when Ensano says he has a date with a girl...lol. He has to have video proof in case it doesn't happen.

You crazy conspiracy people...your gonna drive yourselves insane thinking all this crap up. Put it to good use...make a movie about it...lol.

[Muck]

Put it to good use...make a movie about it...lol.

Well they made Capricorn One, very similar idea, not a bad film either.

[kompis]

hey ciso i beleive you now!

just found some very rare footage on that secret site... YOUTUBE

check it out

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h4cjPHjFz5g&feature=related