Three PLO8 tourney hands

[HalfSugar]

Playing the cheapo $11 PLO8 SCOOP Event and currently at the first break. Can someone with a brain analyse these three hands for me please. Bear in mind that my PLO8 game is f*cking awful

Hand 1 - how can I play this better and what do I do on the river?

PokerStars Game #26651178525: Tournament #200904021, $10+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2009/04/02 16:44:17 ET
Table '200904021 57' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DaneW (4900 in chips)
Seat 2: Papadeeone (3250 in chips)
Seat 3: GenoTHP (5625 in chips)
Seat 4: üä-qaypö.wsx (4875 in chips)
Seat 6: i'm ez money (5900 in chips)
Seat 7: rtumba70 (5825 in chips)
Seat 8: PlayaAAK8 (4625 in chips)
Papadeeone: posts small blind 25
GenoTHP: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GenoTHP [7h 3s Ah 2h]
üä-qaypö.wsx: folds
i'm ez money: calls 50
rtumba70: calls 50
PlayaAAK8: folds
DaneW: folds
DaneW is sitting out
Papadeeone: calls 25
GenoTHP: checks
*** FLOP *** [6h 2s Ad]
Papadeeone: checks
GenoTHP: bets 150
i'm ez money: folds
rtumba70: folds
Papadeeone: calls 150
*** TURN *** [6h 2s Ad] [6s]
Papadeeone: checks
GenoTHP: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 2s Ad 6s] [4d]
Papadeeone: bets 500
GenoTHP: ???

Results later.

Hands 2 & 3 - am I wrong to fire out on the flop in a multi-way pot with such a big draw or is it just a coincidence that both times I killed all the action? I could understand that the way I am playing turns my hand face up against better players but this is a 7,000 player $11 donk-o-rama!

PokerStars Game #26651875106: Tournament #200904021, $10+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2009/04/02 17:01:46 ET
Table '200904021 57' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: DaneW (4240 in chips)
Seat 2: Papadeeone (4995 in chips)
Seat 3: GenoTHP (5180 in chips)
Seat 4: üä-qaypö.wsx (5585 in chips)
Seat 5: chrispy12345 (8514 in chips)
Seat 6: i'm ez money (5490 in chips)
Seat 7: rtumba70 (5445 in chips)
Seat 8: PlayaAAK8 (4545 in chips)
Seat 9: truebluemi (4075 in chips)
PlayaAAK8: posts small blind 40
truebluemi: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GenoTHP [Qh Kh Ac 2c]
DaneW: calls 80
Papadeeone: calls 80
GenoTHP: calls 80
üä-qaypö.wsx: calls 80
chrispy12345: folds
i'm ez money: folds
rtumba70: folds
PlayaAAK8: calls 40
truebluemi: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4c 3s]
PlayaAAK8: checks
truebluemi: checks
DaneW: checks
Papadeeone: checks
GenoTHP: bets 220
üä-qaypö.wsx: folds
PlayaAAK8: folds
truebluemi: folds
DaneW: folds
Papadeeone: folds
Uncalled bet (220) returned to GenoTHP
GenoTHP collected 480 from pot
GenoTHP: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 480 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 4c 3s]
Seat 1: DaneW folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Papadeeone folded on the Flop
Seat 3: GenoTHP collected (480)
Seat 4: üä-qaypö.wsx folded on the Flop
Seat 5: chrispy12345 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: i'm ez money folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rtumba70 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PlayaAAK8 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: truebluemi (big blind) folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #26652997569: Tournament #200904021, $10+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/04/02 17:29:57 ET
Table '200904021 57' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DaneW (4554 in chips)
Seat 2: SurfUpCoffee (10242 in chips)
Seat 3: GenoTHP (5165 in chips)
Seat 4: üä-qaypö.wsx (5705 in chips)
Seat 5: chrispy12345 (1504 in chips)
Seat 6: i'm ez money (3610 in chips)
Seat 7: rtumba70 (11840 in chips)
Seat 8: PlayaAAK8 (13263 in chips)
Seat 9: truebluemi (2828 in chips)
i'm ez money: posts small blind 50
rtumba70: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GenoTHP [8d Ah 2h Ac]
PlayaAAK8: folds
truebluemi: calls 100
DaneW: folds
SurfUpCoffee: folds
SurfUpCoffee is sitting out
GenoTHP: calls 100
üä-qaypö.wsx: calls 100
chrispy12345: folds
i'm ez money: calls 50
rtumba70: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s 6h Qh]
i'm ez money: checks
rtumba70: checks
truebluemi: checks
GenoTHP: bets 225
üä-qaypö.wsx: folds
i'm ez money: folds
rtumba70: folds
truebluemi: folds
Uncalled bet (225) returned to GenoTHP
GenoTHP collected 500 from pot
GenoTHP: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Board [5s 6h Qh]
Seat 1: DaneW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SurfUpCoffee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: GenoTHP collected (500)
Seat 4: üä-qaypö.wsx folded on the Flop
Seat 5: chrispy12345 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: i'm ez money (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: rtumba70 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: PlayaAAK8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: truebluemi folded on the Flop

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

You for sure need to raise hands 2 and 3 preflop. Those are premium hands in PLO8. Betting big on the flop is fine, but you can probably bet smaller, because those are about as close to gin flops as you can get, and giving cheap cards really isn't going to hurt you that much.

Hand 1 should be folded on the river. If you're betting the flop here, it's not really so much for value as it is to maybe get a bad low to fold in hopes of picking up the whole pot now. But once you get called, the jig is up and you don't really want to put any more money in. If a low is betting you off the pot on the river, so be it, but you can't profitably call for half here (I suppose it's conceivable you have the best hand in one or both directions if your opponent is loose and vastly underestimates your hand strength, and in limit this is probably a call for one bet, but 500 chips is a lot when the most likely scenario is you're just getting them back at best).

[HalfSugar]

I play way too passive pre-flop in PLO8 at the moment because it's such a post-flop game. That's something I need to work on.

I did let hand 1 go although the guy never showed. I figured, like you, that I'm chucking in 500 chips to get them back +250 at best as my A7 is nowhere near the high 99% of the time. His sudden pot sized bet screamed A35X but I guess we'll never know!

I just busted after playing really poorly after the second break but here's a good fold I managed after flopping the nut flush draw a little earlier. It's not exactly mind blowing but it's not bad for me:

PokerStars Game #26654078547: Tournament #200904021, $10+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VI (80/160) - 2009/04/02 17:58:59 ET
Table '200904021 239' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: xFRIDAY13THx (11370 in chips)
Seat 2: freeJUSTman (5594 in chips)
Seat 3: tikamp (1939 in chips)
Seat 4: DoorMatt (6095 in chips)
Seat 5: stennn (6230 in chips)
Seat 6: medarter (9192 in chips)
Seat 7: patootie (3455 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: DEFRUSH (10120 in chips)
Seat 9: GenoTHP (5305 in chips)
xFRIDAY13THx: posts small blind 80
freeJUSTman: posts big blind 160
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GenoTHP [8h Kd Kh 3c]
tikamp: folds
DoorMatt: folds
stennn: folds
medarter: calls 160
patootie: folds
DEFRUSH: folds
GenoTHP: calls 160
xFRIDAY13THx: calls 80
freeJUSTman: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2h Ad]
xFRIDAY13THx: checks
freeJUSTman: bets 320
medarter: calls 320
GenoTHP: folds
xFRIDAY13THx: folds
*** TURN *** [Ah 2h Ad] [9c]
freeJUSTman: bets 640
medarter: calls 640
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2h Ad 9c] [3d]
freeJUSTman: bets 480
medarter: calls 480
*** SHOW DOWN ***
freeJUSTman: shows [2d 4d 9d 2s] (HI: a full house, Deuces full of Aces)
medarter: shows [3h Qs Tc Ac] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Threes)
medarter collected 3520 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3520 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 2h Ad 9c 3d]
Seat 1: xFRIDAY13THx (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: freeJUSTman (big blind) showed [2d 4d 9d 2s] and lost with HI: a full house, Deuces full of Aces
Seat 3: tikamp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DoorMatt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: stennn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: medarter showed [3h Qs Tc Ac] and won (3520) with HI: a full house, Aces full of Threes
Seat 7: patootie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DEFRUSH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: GenoTHP (button) folded on the Flop

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

You can fold that hand preflop tbh. Playing it on the button isn't terrible, but you're basically hoping for like a K-T-2 flop or something like that. Folding the flop is extremely trivial, because you're almost always going to be scared even if you do make a flush, because the Ace is the card any given opponent is more likely to have if he's voluntarily entered over any other.

[crack]

Hand 1: I don't really bet this flop multiway. You have no real low and your high hand is weak/vulnerable. As soon as he bets river you can fold it.

Hand 2 and 3: I raise both PF and I would bet pot on the flop in both. My PLO/8 game usually consists of me potting flops and turns most of the time. Although DC is right, they are pretty much monsters, but I just prefer to pot anyway.

Hand 4: Muck pf. Hands like KK83 are poor hands at PLO8. I wouldn't even raise this on the button unless it was pretty late in the tournament and I have a lot of chips. When the flop is paired (Especially AA2 at PLO8) You can fold everything pretty much.

I played it too and got it AI with the nut low draw and two pair against aces. Board paired and I was out.

[HalfSugar]

Interesting posts. I clearly have a lot to learn but it's definitely possible to improve quickly at this game if I put in the man hours. It's by far my favourite non-holdem game because of the sheer number of permutations of any given situation on every street and since I never play holdem online, PLO8 is my game of choice the rare times I fire up PS.