Right or Wrong ruling?

[raisebot]

The following is the statement I've given to Santa Fe Station Hotel/Casino management following the incident- certain names are masked to protect the identities-


"On 11/06/09, approx 3:30am, I was playing poker at Santa Fe Station Hotel on table 1, seat 9. Game was 1/2 No Limit Texas Hold Em. I had a "Live Straddle" of $4 in first position to act. First player to act after me raised to $15, there was approx 1 or 2 callers for $15, other than myself, holding 4 clubs/5 clubs as my hole cards. Flop was 457. Me, being first to act, checked. next player (who raised to $15), bet $100. Another player called the $100, and I then raised all-in for approx $200 total. Initial bettor called, other player folded. I immediately "Tabled My Cards", and other player said, "You have me", then proceeded to physically leave the table, with his cards left *face down*. "G****e" was the dealer, and proceeded to deal the rest of the board "the turn and the river", regardless of the other player leaving the table. The turn was another 7, the river a 6. Since other player's cards were "unprotected and not tabled" (they were left face down, with no 'card protector' left on them, I asked G****e the dealer why he hadn't "killed" the other player's hand. G****e then looked across the poker room for the player that walked away, at which point other player said, "Wait, I think I got him". G****e still hadn't killed opponents hand, and opponent returned to the table to show his hole cards, Jack, Jack. at which point G****e pushed that player the approx $600 pot- regardless of the other player, leaving the table mid-hand (player left on the flop, the turn and river cards not yet dealt), and leaving the table with his cards face down and "unprotected", regardless of the stated poker rules of "Every player must protect his/her own hand", and that players must remain in the vicinity of the poker table during hands they were involved in.

I was unjustly denied the approx $600 pot, regardless of the violation of the other player's rules, and for the dealer to "kill" his hand in a timely manner, and not calling a floor supervisor over to render a proper decision.

L** was the poker supervisor on duty at the time."






Question is does JJ deserve the pot? FYI, this was a cash game, where all-ins do NOT have to be shown. My opinion is dealer should have turbo-mucked other player's hand- cards were unattended, seat was unoccupied, and player's statement of "You Have me" before walking away should have been an easy muck- Since the money was already in and no more action was possible, I agree with the turn and river being dealt- however I do not agree with not mucking an unprotected, untabled and unoccupied hand. In a cash game, if someone wants to muck, you let them muck, plain and simple.

Opinions?

[HalfSugar]

What happened when you protested? Was the floor not called? Something stinks.

[raisebot]

Floor was NOT called, dealer shipped the pot to him, then later chastised ME for not "requesting" floor to be called. I left the poker room to donk off a bit on slots, at which point I got into an argument with one of the slot team/count team, who couldn't wait 3 minutes until my "bonus round" was done, and for the machine to pay me off. I was then sarcastically told by slot team to "Come again soon!", at which point I asked him to repeat himself, he did, I then asked for the casino manager's name on duty. Slot team member responded "I don't know", then physically put his hand on me. Security came, I got the information from security regarding who's running the casino at that hour.

Spoke to graveyard casino manager, and I laid it all on them. Manager reviewed both surveillance videos, then had a lengthy discussion with the poker room manager on duty at the time.

I filled out 2 different complaint forms- 1 of which is the one I posted above which will be given to the Nevada Gaming Control Board, the other form regarding the slot incident, which will be used for that employee's file and/or disciplinary use.


Awaiting a call back from the main casino manager today. Both videos are now unable to be deleted, since an incident was filed regarding them, and Gaming must now investigate.

[jimmer]

I'm unsure on the official rulling in the US, but in the UK the hand would/should of been mucked as soon as he stands up.

No matter where you are in the world, I think his actions (leaving the table, saying "you have me" and not showing his cards) would constitute him mucking his hand.

I would question whether there is a certain time limit for you to make a complaint about the hand? Once again, I have no idea on the answer, but, do you have to draw it to someones attention before the next hand is dealt etc?, but apart from that I think you should win this one 100%.

[raisebot]

I got a personal phone call tonight from the Director of Casino Operations himself, who profusely apologized for the incidents, and promised me they WILL pay me the entire pot amount out of their own pockets, to just stop by on Monday when the main Poker Room manager returns from vacation, to pick up my money.

Was kinda surreal getting that phone call, at 10pm, especially when I went all day without the promised phone call from them, and then being informed they'll pay me.

Sad thing is I actually sorta like the dealer that was involved in dealing out the hand, and what disciplinary actions will now be taken against him, but apparently, management and/or Gaming Control reviewed the videos, and saw that something was rotten in Denmark.

Last thing I expected was to be reimbursed for the incident, especially coming from a casino. After all, casinos are in the business of making money, not paying money. Quite honestly, that phone call, and the promise to repay me, sorta shocked the shit out of me.

[HalfSugar]

$100 says your head is in a vice within 5mins of stepping into the casino again.

[jimmer]

$100 says your head is in a vice within 5mins of stepping into the casino again.

or your car will blow up when you leave.

[raisebot]

$100 says your head is in a vice within 5mins of stepping into the casino again.

or your car will blow up when you leave.

Will never happen. If my car blows up, their $600 gets burnt to a crisp. If they don't blow up my car, they have a chance of me losing the money back to them.

Simple economics.

[raisebot]

Well they paid me today. Unfortunately though, I need to buy a new car now. They stuck my car in a vice as I was leaving.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Well they paid me today. Unfortunately though, I need to buy a new car now. They stuck my car in a vice as I was leaving.

Damn, we were so close!

[Northern Hillbilly]

Well they paid you so i guess they agreed with you. I would think though his hand is still valid till the river if he isn't back then then his hand should get mucked . He didn't muck his hand just walked off to catch a breath and the hand was live to the river then dead if he isn't there to show it .

Just my opinion but I guess mine is wrong here as casino sided with you . Or else the casino figured 600 to keep you happy and playing is cheap and they will eventually get it back from you anyways . I would walk away from the table for a second to take a breather. Obviously he stayed close enough to keep an eye on the hand

Edit after reading hold-em rules I see clearly this is a dead hand :D