AK facing UTG+2 limp

[odlozilik]

I have been 20ish hands at the table and I didn't see any limping there so far. Then, UTG+2 big stack suddenly limps in. Do you snapshove AK here? 40 players remaining, first 8 gets the grand prize, I am about 34th at the moment.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23287653520: RakeTheRake $56K EPO Freeroll (178947381), Table 81 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:20:56 ET - 2010/08/22

Seat 1: Caked Up (104,056)
Seat 2: IC Mohr (96,110)
Seat 3: bkh87 (86,789)
Seat 4: waitsfan78 (70,422)
Seat 5: The Cave Man666 (40,831)
Seat 7: odlozilik (18,317)
Seat 8: J2 Jack Duece (65,943)
Seat 9: rhroslothrop (39,677)

Caked Up antes 250
IC Mohr antes 250
bkh87 antes 250
waitsfan78 antes 250
The Cave Man666 antes 250
odlozilik antes 250
J2 Jack Duece antes 250
rhroslothrop antes 250

J2 Jack Duece posts the small blind of 1,000
rhroslothrop posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to odlozilik [Ks Ah]

Caked Up folds
IC Mohr folds
bkh87 calls 2,000
waitsfan78 folds
The Cave Man666 folds
odlozilik ??

[jeffonline]

M 3.5, $7500 already in the pot, big stack is calling unless one of the blinds pushes. I think you are in a race but I would be more than happy to get it in here. You need to chip up.

[HalfSugar]

It's kind of a weird spot because of the numbers. Pot is 7K by the time it reaches you, you have 18K. Shoving does not necessarily commit the big stack and he probably does not call with a small PP. Picking up the pot here and now would be good but you're M is still only 5 and you are still looking to get it in again ASAP.

You could limp the button and take a flop. Maybe that's a risky and Hellmuth-ish play but you have just the right stack size that if you c-bet a flop you've hit for your remaining 16K, almost any stack at the table will call if they have a piece. If you miss, well 16K is effectively no different to 18K if you have to fold and since you have position, you may even get away with bluffing AI if you whiff.

Obviously if you did limp, you'd snap AI any raise pre-flop from the blinds (probably even if the big stack calls) but I think this is as good a spot to take a risk and try and double/triple up than it is to shove and pick up the pot now.

[jimmer]

Can I reverse this question slightly. odlozilik - Why are you concerned that pushing AI is not the correct play? You are competent player who knows the score. You have an M of 3.5 and have AK against the big stack who's limped.

Isn't this a straight forward shove? At the very least it sends out the signal that you like to 'stand your ground'.

Why are you concerned that pushing AI is not the correct play?

[odlozilik]

Can I reverse this question slightly. odlozilik - Why are you concerned that pushing AI is not the correct play? You are competent player who knows the score. You have an M of 3.5 and have AK against the big stack who's limped.

Isn't this a straight forward shove? At the very least it sends out the signal that you like to 'stand your ground'.

Why are you concerned that pushing AI is not the correct play?

I didn't say pushing AI here isn't correct play, I am asking is there any other possibility.
Question is, what is villain's limping range here? As I have mentioned, there were no limps until this one, so he doesn't seem to be a donk limping with 2 facecards, small pocket pairs or weak ace, so I actually almost don't see anything reasonable but the monsters (AA, KK, QQ at the best, but not so probably).
Think about yourself, what's the hand you would limp in in villain's place?

[jimmer]

I didn't say pushing AI here isn't correct play, I am asking is there any other possibility.

My appologies - you are right.

Think about yourself, what's the hand you would limp in in villain's place?

I'm unsure if my answer is too simplistic, but you've only been at the table for 20 hands, which in my book is too small a sample to consider.

Therefore I would just look at my M. At 3.5 with 40'ish players left (especially when i'm in 34th position) - AK is an easy All-in.

So, to answer your question. With the lack of any specific information about the limper - my only option is all in.

[jeffonline]

I agree AA KK are definite possibilities in his limping range, but so are AQo+ ATs+ KQs 22+, if the table is playing tight then all this range is likely. If the table is loose then AA KK become more probable IMO. Lets look at where we are:
Call, an A or K comes on the flop we are still behind AA KK in our decision-making.
Call and push on any flop, still behind AA KK.
Call and villain pushes the flop, do we fold ???
Fold, well you can always hope for another big hand in the 3.5 rounds you have left, your stack is diminishing quickly and you will soon need two big hands to stay alive. This just doesn’t happen the majority of time. You will need to play a wide range and others will always be lurking. Take your shot and push it in.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

9k and shove/call any board

[odlozilik]

Well, I was thinking: "Wtf. is this, does he have AA?", but, being so short, I have pushed all in in a second. And, of course, he calls with AA. Gg, wp, fml. Hard to make spectacular fold here.

[HalfSugar]

Spectacular limp/fold FTW assuming you don't get cold decked and flop the case Ace.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

lol you cant fold this without being a superuser reader

[odlozilik]

I read him well but didn't want to believe myself lol.