Pot odds/outs don't seem reasonable to me.

[dubfrontsidah]

This seems like flawed logic to me. I am using the example on this page: http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/odds

Step 1: Count the outs you have and divide by the number of cards in the deck
In the example on the website:

For example, say you are in a $5/$10 texas hold'em game with Jack-Ten facing one opponent on the turn. You have an outside straight draw with a board of 2-5-9-Q, and only the river card left to make it. Any 8 or any King will finish this straight for you, so you have 8 outs

Step 2: Divide the outs by the remaining cards in the deck, in this case 8/46 is almost 1/6.

Step 3: Divide all the money you can win by the money you are calling, in this case $200/10 =20 (or 1/20)

Step 4: Compare 1/6 to 1/20. 1/6 is better than 1/20, so you should call them.




Ok, so what I am seeing is that if I have a 1/6 chance to make a straight, I should place a wager on that? If the opponent has not folded by now, he MOST LIKELY will have a Q in his hand. I would rather wager on him beating my 1/6 chances that he has the Q if he has stuck in it this long.


What am I missing from here?

Does my question make sence or should I refraise it?

It would seem to me that I would need to count my outs and then compare it to my opponents actions (If there is a 2-5-9-Q he probally had a 2 or a 5 or a 9 or a q by this point.. Shouldn't I have folded long long ago on the flop? Is a straight on the river really worth betting for?

[HalfSugar]

There is one important thing to remember when considering pot odds - if I hit the card I need, will it guarantee that I win the pot? Or to put it another way, will I have a 'made' hand?

If the answer is yes, you then need to assess whether calling a bet (purely from a statistical point of view) is a profitable play if you ran the same scenario a million times.

In this example, if you are 1/6 to make the winning hand and you are calling at 1/20, you 'should' call.

It doesn't matter how you got to that point of the hand, or what action has gone before, we are merely looking at this one point in isolation.

There are many factors to consider which are not purely statistical, for example, let's say the size of the 'correct' call is 1,000 tournament chips and you only have 3,000 chips left, you would not necessarily call (depending on just how 'correct' the call was) because you are committing 1/3 of your chips on a hand that, if it misses, will not win the pot. However, in isolation, pot odds is a purely mathematical way of assessing whether calling a bet is good or bad in the long run.

[gazu92]

my poker habilities can only answer one question you said "Is a straight on the river really worth betting for?"

well.. if you are paying less than 1/6 and you have 1/6 of hitting a monster, yes you should call becuase if you hit the straight you are not only likely to win the pot, but you can bet even more and win a better pot...

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this is another example, you got pocket pair of 33, is a piece of crap against 8 players... YOU SHOULD NOT RAISE, but you SHOULD CALL (if nobody have raised)... why??? becuase if you hit the 333, you will win ALOT of money because nobody will think... "huh, maybe he have a set?" so if the flop is AT3 rainbow... and you got a set.... and he have AK... he will think he got the best hand and you will likely win alot against him....

[jimmer]

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Will i become a pro if i do read it?

[pharlap99]

I read it, i am now a pro, yippee