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Who takes how much in these situations:

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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby HalfSugar » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:28 pm GMT

Whoever folded first out of players B and C loses the $1,900. That's the easiest way to describe this (impossible) situation.

In no scenario ever can a player win more than they wager.
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby HalfSugar » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:32 pm GMT

golddog wrote:For the other pot, the second player to fold is taken out and beaten to death for being so stupid (hopefully before they've reproduced), so I guess it would go to the first by default.

Good on you to think of the corner cases, but that's not a real-world situation. C (if he was after B) would never fold and would pick up the side pot.

To allow for a mis-click, I suppose the side would be split between B and C?

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Player A gets 150 chips
Whichever other player folded second gets 1,900 chips

You could never split the side pot surely?
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby golddog » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:08 pm GMT

HalfSugar wrote:
golddog wrote:For the other pot, the second player to fold is taken out and beaten to death for being so stupid (hopefully before they've reproduced), so I guess it would go to the first by default.

Good on you to think of the corner cases, but that's not a real-world situation. C (if he was after B) would never fold and would pick up the side pot.

To allow for a mis-click, I suppose the side would be split between B and C?

We replied at the same time.........

Player A gets 150 chips
Whichever other player folded second gets 1,900 chips

You could never split the side pot surely?


Sure, you could split a side pot, but only in the rare circumstance that it would be split anyway (i.e., tied hands).

I have no idea what the ruling would be, as this situation could only happen (the way I see it) online with a mis-click by the second player.

Actually, to OP, presuming you're writing software, a better business rule would be to disallow fold on the client in this situation. If, for some reason, all other players want to give up a claim to the side pot on the river, the last player standing should not be allowed to fold for the side.

He may, however, choose to muck if the all-in player has him beat.

I stand by my original analysis: in live poker, the second folder should be beaten.
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby HalfSugar » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:30 am GMT

I don't think it is relevant to worry about the option not to fold - if this situation were to arise online, once the first big stack player folds the cards would automatically be flipped and the board run out.

If the second big stack did try and fold I'd DQ him for colluding with the short stack by the way. What other incentive is there to fold?
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby golddog » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:21 pm GMT

HalfSugar wrote:I don't think it is relevant to worry about the option not to fold - if this situation were to arise online, once the first big stack player folds the cards would automatically be flipped and the board run out.

If the second big stack did try and fold I'd DQ him for colluding with the short stack by the way. What other incentive is there to fold?


Just what I was thinking on both counts, if I didn't state it as well.
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby yuvallahav » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:16 am GMT

Well, your discussion was a wonderful one, and it gave me a lot to think about, I do, in general, have a rule in my programming where the last player standing can't fold or do anything actually since the game will run it's course by it self in a situation where there is only one valid player left on the table, but....
this issue was not raised only for the possibility of the B and C players both folding, but also for a rare possibility of 2 last standing players in this situation disconnecting for some reason, so in that case, when a user disconnects, I can only play him on as fold, or else the game will never come to a conclusion, but I needed to know in that case, who gets the money on the table, one of the players, or should I shift the money to my own account :)

Please keep in mind that our site (www.flashgames.it) is completely free to register and play on, there are is no money involved, no rewords (other then fame) and no prizes, but after working on games for this site for the past 3 years, I know how much their users get upset if something is not by the book...

Thanks again guys, time to work all that gold in!!

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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby HalfSugar » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:42 am GMT

Cool, once it is fully up and running, send us a link. If you want some testers prior to the live launch, I'm sure a couple of people here would put in some hours on it too.
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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby yuvallahav » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:43 am GMT

I will need some live testers and I will post a link here once it's up and ready for testing, the account for the site anyway is completely free, or else you can play in guest mode, meaning you don't save your winnings and statistics and can't play against other registered users, but only with other guests, but hey, to test the game and functionality a guest is more the enough :)

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Re: Who takes how much in these situations:

Postby saacbeser » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:46 pm GMT

The algorithm should be fairly easy, it's just a matter of ranking players by smallest stack first and extracting matching sums of chips from players with larger stacks until someone is left with a surplus to be returned
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