hand feedback wanted
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hand feedback wanted
I recently played a hand in a live game that I would like some feed back on.
Situation:
$1, $2 NL live game
I am in late position and have pocket AA
I have the table covered in chips by almost double and small blind has about $200
After 4 limpers I raise to $17
Everyone folds except for small blind, about $40 in the pot
Flop comes Q, 8, 2 rainbow
Small blind leads out and bets $15
I re-raise to $50
Small blind thinks for about 2 minutes then calls
Turn card is K
Small blind checks and I bet $60
Small blind quickly calls
River card is another K
Small blind leads out and bets $65 almost the rest of his stack except approximately $20-$30
If I call I still have over $250, after a while I end up folding
I end up putting him on either K,Q or pocket Q,Q
Did I make the right play or should I have called because of pot commitment issues?
Situation:
$1, $2 NL live game
I am in late position and have pocket AA
I have the table covered in chips by almost double and small blind has about $200
After 4 limpers I raise to $17
Everyone folds except for small blind, about $40 in the pot
Flop comes Q, 8, 2 rainbow
Small blind leads out and bets $15
I re-raise to $50
Small blind thinks for about 2 minutes then calls
Turn card is K
Small blind checks and I bet $60
Small blind quickly calls
River card is another K
Small blind leads out and bets $65 almost the rest of his stack except approximately $20-$30
If I call I still have over $250, after a while I end up folding
I end up putting him on either K,Q or pocket Q,Q
Did I make the right play or should I have called because of pot commitment issues?
- mtcon58
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Re: hand feedback wanted
Why do you think he would lead out with a set of Qs? He doesnt have a set.
AK is possible, trying to push you off 10s or Js on the flop, but I think he likely has AQ and thinks he is ahead. The 2nd king helps him to believe that you didnt have a K and can push you off.
More importantly, if you put him on "something" on the flop, your flop raise should have been larger adn your turn bet should have been bigger. There was $40 pf, he led for $15, so $55 in the pot and you only raised 1/2 pot. This looks like you are trying to get a cheap turn and not strong.
He calls and there is now $140-150 and you only bet $60 on the turn? He is getting odds to call in a wide range of hands. If you are going to bet so small, you might as well check behind and see how he bets the river. I prefer to go all in or check behind on the turn.
River he bets $65 into $270? You might be beat, but I am not folding AAKKQ when getting 6:1 odds on that board.
AK is possible, trying to push you off 10s or Js on the flop, but I think he likely has AQ and thinks he is ahead. The 2nd king helps him to believe that you didnt have a K and can push you off.
More importantly, if you put him on "something" on the flop, your flop raise should have been larger adn your turn bet should have been bigger. There was $40 pf, he led for $15, so $55 in the pot and you only raised 1/2 pot. This looks like you are trying to get a cheap turn and not strong.
He calls and there is now $140-150 and you only bet $60 on the turn? He is getting odds to call in a wide range of hands. If you are going to bet so small, you might as well check behind and see how he bets the river. I prefer to go all in or check behind on the turn.
River he bets $65 into $270? You might be beat, but I am not folding AAKKQ when getting 6:1 odds on that board.
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Dave B - Tournament Champion
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Re: hand feedback wanted
Dave B wrote:The 2nd king helps him to believe that you didnt have a K and can push you off.
Word. I'd snap call with AA and wait to see him roll over a queen.
I don't see him calling the flop with AK or any King for that matter.
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HalfSugar - King Moderator
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Re: hand feedback wanted
No one thinks he could have had KQ? That is what I was worried about. The more I think about it QQ doesn't make sense or he would have re-raised on the flop, but KQ makes sense because of how long it took him to call the flog and how quick he called the turn then bet the river.
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Re: hand feedback wanted
Sure, he could have KQ. In this situation, does he have something other than KQ more than one time in 6? I think so. I'm with Dave, snap call.
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golddog - Tournament Champion
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Re: hand feedback wanted
Why would he re-raise the flop w/ QQ? You have show that you have a premium hand and if he didnt raise QQ preflop, he will likely smooth call top set on the flop and let you bet again on the turn with top set. On dry boards with the stone cold nuts, players are looking for value, not trying to take down pots.
When a play fires into you on the river w/ the board of KKQxx, he is either firing a blocking bet because he is afraid you will shove and doesnt want to call, or has a monster and doesnt want you to check behind. I am not considering a raise, but I dont fold either.
When a play fires into you on the river w/ the board of KKQxx, he is either firing a blocking bet because he is afraid you will shove and doesnt want to call, or has a monster and doesnt want you to check behind. I am not considering a raise, but I dont fold either.
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Dave B - Tournament Champion
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Re: hand feedback wanted
I would have felt committed on the flop against all but the tightest rocks. On the turn, there is absolutely no way I'm folding. You should have felt committed big time. There was $140 in the pot on the turn, and you have less than that left (the shorter stack is all that matters). My goal in that situation is to get all in on the turn (again, unless my opponent is very, very tight and won't call with worse hands. Such an opponent is quite rare.)
He could have called the flop with AQ, KQ, QJ, even QT. He could have JJ or TT even, if hes the calling type. You beat way too many of these hand combos to fold, especially on the river like this.
He could have called the flop with AQ, KQ, QJ, even QT. He could have JJ or TT even, if hes the calling type. You beat way too many of these hand combos to fold, especially on the river like this.
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Re: hand feedback wanted
I agree with Dave. I'm making that river call 100% of the time.
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