poker poll

[kompis]

I know you lot are probably bored to death of this subject but i feel it needs addressing. Yesterday i was playing on prima poker for a while, up about $100 in a 1-2 NL 6 handed room. I am dealt Ad Qd suited, i raise 4X blinds from mid position, one guy calls. the flop comes Q 5d 6d, he is first to act and puts out a smallish bet, just under half the pot. I have top pair top kicker and flush draw, so i re raise him the pot, he moves all in. I stop to think... hmmm he could have 56, 55, 66.... maybe even QQ... perhaps he is on flush draw in which case i have him. in any case i called and he turned over QQ.... no diamonds came. Pretty annoying but he had a good hand. Then i have AA raise alot, 2 callers flop comes rags but 2 of them are suited, i end up all in, and one calls with the flush draw.. he hits it. so from being on $180, $100 up i am now outta chips. Nothing too bad just a couple of unfortunate hands. So i decide to reload, I carry on playing well manage to get up to about $180 again(i like to buy in with $80), then im dealt QQ, again i raise about 4X the blinds, one caller, the flop comes Q K 5, he is first to act and puts me all in :D i call.... he turns over K 5 suited, not a bad call from him preflop, but then he hits a K on the river. down to 0 again. I decide to call it a night, obviosly the poker gods were against me that night no need to tilt ill just go to sleep.
New day, i begin playing again, same limit, (i have made alot on here in the past) so more nice hands..... Im dealt AA before it gets to me it has been raised to $40 i go all in one caller, he has 66.... he hits a 6 i lose all of my chips. Then i have AK raise alot, one caller flop: A K 7, i raise pot, he goes all in i call.... he turns over K7, and he hits another 7 to make a boat. more losing... by now i am down to my last $100. I decide to stick it all in a room, i have been unfortunate and my good play should pay off, i mean its not often i lose $600 in a day. I play my usual style, for about 2 hours and im even. then i get AA its raised, so i re raise to $30, 2 callers .. flop comes 7 5 10, first to act bets out half the pot, the middle guy folds, then me.... i think he has A10 K10 at best if im unlucky he has 77/ 10 10/ 55.... i elect to re raise.. at these tables people love to bluff the preflop raiser, cos they think i missed probably... he goes all in...
what can i do? he could have better but i really dont thinks so, and i still think he is bluffing. he turns over 7 5 off suit. (what the f*ck????)the board doesnt pair higher and no aces fall. Thats it my whole bankrole gone in 2 days....
It seems like i was the action for these sites i was the guy who bumped the pots up , the guy who put his chips in when he was ahed and then lost.
I dont know about poker anymore, i used to think skill paid off, i was making alot of money but i think i have been naive... LUCK is a far bigger factor....luck is the largest factor in poker, the guy who had poket Q's against me was LUCKY to get QQ and even more lucky to hit and LUCKIER STILL to have me on such a good hand to give him that action.
I think you lot need to re-asses what you are doing playing this game, your luck will run out sooner than u think.

[Sean_in_NJ]

So i decide to reload, I carry on playing well manage to get up to about $180 again(i like to buy in with $80), then im dealt QQ, again i raise about 4X the blinds, one caller, the flop comes Q K 5, he is first to act and puts me all in :D i call.... he turns over K 5 suited, not a bad call from him preflop, but then he hits a 5 on the river. down to 0 again.

Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong part of the story, but how did you lose that hand? Queens full beats fives full.

Anyway, I no longer believe in either luck or skill. Predestination rules all, and the only reason we can't predict the future is because of the Uncertainty Principle. So some of us are gonna go broke, some are gonna get rich, and there's not a damn thing that any of us can do about it to change those outcomes.

[kompis]

yeh i made a mistake writing that one,,,,,,.... tried to change it b4 it got out

[flafishy]

Luck is a big factor in anything, including life itself. It's how you use your brain and adapt your skills to make the best of the luck factor that separates the men and the women from the boys and the girls.

[kompis]

well i just conducted an experiment, i did 5 $5 buy in sng's
i went all in every hand i liked the look of - 6 7 suited, A5 suited KK KJ etc. I just won 2 came top 3 in 2 and lost only1. That is from complete luck non skill play. skill is nice in poker, and if your playing with other skilled players it is arguably the deciding factor, but online agains pricks luck rules over all

[wEbMaStEr]

Ok lets settle this right now.....

Luck IS more important that good play!

So only play on your hunches and when you're feeling lucky and when you get a "feeling" that your 2 outer is gonna hit on the river.

That way you are certain to profit!

[kompis]

i detect a little sarcasm there. Wait untill u get so f*cked in the ass that anything u do loses. even when u get the absolute nuts u get f*cked some more. certain players win alot of money from playing like complete retards, while a solid player will pay them over and over, luck can take your skill and shit all over it if it wants
luck is the most important factor with ease

[Scott1101]

Wait untill u get so f*ck in the ass

No thanks, man. Dicks are for chicks.

[xhi]

PUH LEESE!!!

If luck wasn't the most important part then Phil Helmuth would win every pot!!!!!

[ChkDeezNuts]

i even when u get the absolute nuts u get f*ck some more.

If you still get f*cked with the absolute nuts...then I would say that you just like to get f*cked.

[snoogins47]

Luck is the biggest factor on a day to day, or maybe hand to hand basis. In the long run, it's as close to certain as can be that a skilled player will make out better than a bad player.

Any arguments to the contrary are silly.

[Scott1101]

Luck is the biggest factor on a day to day, or maybe hand to hand basis. In the long run, it's as close to certain as can be that a skilled player will make out better than a bad player.

It's true that in the long run, a much more skilled player will destroy a much less skilled player.

The problem is that as the poker fad matures, the "fish" inevitably become better players or quit the game and the better players stay at around the same skill level (we can't all be experts). When this happens, and it is already occuring, the playing field levels and that's when luck starts to play a bigger part.

As the poker fad dies and people are less willing to throw money away just because they watched the WSOP last night, you're going to be facing better overall play.

[ScanX]

well i just conducted an experiment, i did 5 $5 buy in sng's
i went all in every hand i liked the look of - 6 7 suited, A5 suited KK KJ etc. I just won 2 came top 3 in 2 and lost only1. That is from complete luck non skill play. skill is nice in poker, and if your playing with other skilled players it is arguably the deciding factor, but online agains pricks luck rules over all

try doing the same tomorrow, and the next day and the day after, etc..

u'll be broke by the end of the month.

luck is an instantaneous factor, but in the long run it evens out.

[BigSlugger09]

Depending on what type of poker you are playing, its mostly about statistics. I mean poker is a mathematical game with odds and probability and all that good stuff. So if you are looking at it from a logical standpoint, there is no such thing as luck in poker, just probability. Just because you have AA does that mean you will win? NO! Does it mean you should win? Again. NO! All it mean is that you have a better chance of winning. Its your ability to take advatage of the good situations and release the bad ones that make a person a good player. I personally feel luck does not and should not appear to be a part of a regular poker player's game. If you play long enough you WILL realize that sometimes the cards run good and you get "lucky", but sometimes they are full of bad beats. But in the end the cards always break even. ALWAYS! This is the very reason why poker is more of a game of skill or logic for that matter (at lower limits its almost all odds - dont try to make moves on people). The cards break even. Everyone gets the same quality cards over an extended period of time. The players who win the most money play the best with the cards they are dealt. You tell me why one player wins money and the other loses over a long time. Is it luck or is it skill? There is no doubt in my mind thats its skill! :D

[kompis]

yeh i agree, my post was really more of a vent , this forum seems to have alot of that. It was my own fault really, the money in the poker site was all my own, not profit. Normally i only deposit very little and build it up, but after making alot @ 1 - 2 i decided to go straight there. And i had a unfortunate run, when this was all profit i would be a bit pissed off, but seeing as it was my own money from my bank (profit any way lol.. not the point though) It felt sick. I put myself in a position where i can lose money (at a poker table), but the difference was it was MY actual money not just profit that i had built. I learn from it, for me its a £300 lesson... don't get greedy and deposit alot.... as u are always open to a world of shit if the poker gods decide its your time. Skill wins in the long run.... but you have to agree that luck can take over from time to time, and no amount of skill can compete with it when the luck really decided to f*ck every1 apart from some nutter who calls anything.