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What would you have done?

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Postby ColdBlooded » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:20 pm GMT

I'm playing on UB in a sit and go and it's down to just me and another player.
He's got about 6500 chips to my 3500 and blinds are 100-200.
My opponent is first to play and raises to 600, I'm holding j10o and I decide to call.
Flop comes out 6-7-J rainbow.
I'm first to play so I bet the pot, he raises and puts me all in. After thinking it over for a bit, I decide to call.
Turns out he's got pocket 6's and I lose.

Did I play this wrong? I'm thinking maybe I should've checked after the flop but I'm curious to hear some other opinions.
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Postby racquet000 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:29 pm GMT

you had top pair if you put him on Ak Aq preflop or something to that nature. I dont know how he was playing its hard to say based on him as a player which i dont know. lol But if he re rasied me all in i would have folded thinking maybe AA KK QQ. But that was me.
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Postby Golden Holden » Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:34 pm GMT

Its pretty tough to put your opponent on a specific hand when you're heads up, perhaps even moreso when your opponent has more chips than you.

You couldn't really "put" your opponent on anything. There simply wasn't enough information for you to guess with any degree of certainty as to what your opponent had.

In a full ring game, you have position, bet size (when compared to other bets already made), whether your opponent is calling a bet with a protected pot, etc.

In this heads up match, all you really need to decide is "is he bluffing?" and thats that. He either had a very strong hand or absolutely no hand at all (some players may make a very strong bet like this on a semi-bluff/draw if they have the chip lead, but given your aggression, very few players would have gone all in with, say, middle pair) Your initial pot sized bet told him you had power.

From his perspective, that bet you made on the flop would NOT have looked like a bluff. He was the aggressor preflop, and you merely called after all.

So his all in bet would have scared me quite a bit. I probably would have folded, although very unhappily.
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Postby racquet000 » Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:39 pm GMT

Bah i suck...lol I was just saying was this a substancial bet compared to his normal betting style. Heads up i think you can still put people on hands, How much do they raise with what. Was 600 alot for him or little. I cant decide on that b/c i didnt play with him at all is what im saying.

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Postby JohnnyCache » Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:11 am GMT

I would have put him on a set or better if he tossed in that much after flop. . . but letting him take down those 600 chips from the call on the flop would have been tricky . . . but I wouldn't have called out on the J 10 offsuit without enough chips for a re-raise. . .
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Postby Dave B » Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:46 am GMT

You already have 1800 in a pot w/ the top pair-leaving you w/ just 1700. I may play differently in a big multi, but at a SNG this is a no brainer to me-you call. If he reraises you-YOU go all in. He might have had A 7 suited or just about anything.

Think of it this way-was your odds better of having the winning hand (50/50-maybe 40/60) or of coming back from down 1700 to 6300 (1 in 4 or 5?).
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Postby nicthestick » Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:50 am GMT

Was this hand against me? I think I remember it.
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Postby Sundance » Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:09 pm GMT

I agree with Dave, if you fold you are severly short stacked in a heads up match, of course one or two double ups and you are back in it, but I would have went all in also with top pair in this situation and if he had trips you just have to hope to out draw him. The only difference is that I would have checked the flop to him and reraised his bet, he still probably would have called but he would have to think about it a little. Tough play.
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Postby racquet000 » Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:47 pm GMT

I dont think theres such thing as short stack heads up....lol Even though i know its play money its kinda the same. When ever i go into a room to play heads up I bring in the minimum. I often always leave with all there chips. I once took 120k when i started with 1k. Took over a million starting with 50k. Its all knowing when to attack. Yet i did get lucky. lol
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Postby JohnnyCache » Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:27 pm GMT

Yeah, but it's hard to semi-bluff with a shorter stack . . . you can play with a short stack, but like you said, you have to wait and sting.
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Postby Golden Holden » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:30 pm GMT

Its true... heads up, and committed to the pot that much, its not wrong to call at all.

Looking at it completely objectively, I still think the right move is to fold, but its alot easier for me to say that from afar than sitting at the table with top pair tempting me to call.

Again, you're only one hand away from recovering from the hand, and losing it means you're done.
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Postby ColdBlooded » Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:34 pm GMT

Dave B wrote:You already have 1800 in a pot w/ the top pair-leaving you w/ just 1700. I may play differently in a big multi, but at a SNG this is a no brainer to me-you call. If he reraises you-YOU go all in. He might have had A 7 suited or just about anything.

Think of it this way-was your odds better of having the winning hand (50/50-maybe 40/60) or of coming back from down 1700 to 6300 (1 in 4 or 5?).


That pretty much was the logic I was using when I decided to call.
From what I could tell, my opponent was a pretty strong player. He'd often raise pre-flop when we were down to 3 players, so it was reasonable for me to assume that he didn't necessarily have a monster.

I felt like I played it right, but it was an interesting hand nonetheless.
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Postby nicthestick » Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:47 am GMT

im serious..... was this against me?
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Postby ColdBlooded » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:10 am GMT

Unless your name on UB is brownzfan, or something like that, then no it wasn't.
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Postby nicthestick » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:23 am GMT

nope..... but, I had the exact same situation ... in reverse
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