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[Ciso_B]

The old Ciso is back..jokes.. Did to well though to only lose the 480..instead of all preflop tho.

Full Tilt Poker Game #10311166191: The Fifty-Fifty (77727542), Table 15 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:23:07 ET - 2009/01/28
Seat 1: cqr07 (1,410)
Seat 2: CHUMMIN85 (5,125)
Seat 3: Humpy961 (13,956)
Seat 4: winkerbean (2,670)
Seat 5: nickwang (5,400)
Seat 6: low4show (7,178)
Seat 7: Justin5881 (5,340)
Seat 8: fatherrooster (3,195)
Seat 9: Ciso (8,765)
Humpy961 posts the small blind of 80
winkerbean posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso [Qc Qd]
nickwang folds
low4show raises to 480
Justin5881 folds
fatherrooster folds
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso calls 480
cqr07 folds
CHUMMIN85 folds
Humpy961 calls 400
winkerbean folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 2c Ac]
Humpy961 checks
low4show checks
Ciso checks
*** TURN *** [4h 2c Ac] [3d]
Humpy961 bets 1,600
low4show calls 1,600
Ciso folds
*** RIVER *** [4h 2c Ac 3d] [5c]
Humpy961 checks
low4show checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Humpy961 shows [4c 4d] a straight, Five high
low4show shows [As Ad] a straight, Five high
Humpy961 ties for the pot (2,400) with a straight, Five high
low4show ties for the pot (2,400) with a straight, Five high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,800 | Rake 0
Board: [4h 2c Ac 3d 5c]
Seat 1: cqr07 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: CHUMMIN85 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Humpy961 (small blind) showed [4c 4d] and won (2,400) with a straight, Five high
Seat 4: winkerbean (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: nickwang didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: low4show showed [As Ad] and won (2,400) with a straight, Five high
Seat 7: Justin5881 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: fatherrooster didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Ciso folded on the Turn

[buckeyes77]

Don't know how/why you did it but you definitely lost the minimum on that hand granted the board didn't straighten up on the river. Based on no prior info, I would have probably reraised low4show to about 1500 total and 50/50 called his shove. However in this case I would have chopped

[Kemics]

i dont get this level of poker at all, how can 2 sets and an over pair give a free card on that draw heavy a flop.

[buckeyes77]

This hand is a good example of bad play from all players involved.... good educational hand to analyze.

[Kemics]

i dont think ciso played it poor.

[buckeyes77]

I wouldn't go as far to say he played it poor but I also think this is a good example of why hands like 10-10, JJ, and QQ can be tricky to play. I personally would never call a 3xBB raise with QQ for the very reason of what happened on the flop but I'm not going to argue against his play.

I just know that over the long-run, the value I get from making big raises pre-flop with a hand like QQ against opponents' A-x/K-x outweighs the value I give up when I run into and get crushed by AA/KK.

[Kemics]

i dont have much love from the ladies according to pokertracker, infact i've dropped nearly a buy-in with them (only over 400 or so hands though and included a stinger of a bad beat - Me QQ, Villian K9, Board - QK959 and got it all in on the flop)

however, im never folding QQ to a PF 3 x BB raise as it is a hand with so much equity. With position as well im sure its worth seeing the flop.

[buckeyes77]

Ahhhh ok I see what happened here. When I said I would never call 3xBB with QQ I didn't mean fold, I meant re-raise LOL.

"I just know that over the long-run, the value I get from making BIG RAISES pre-flop with a hand like QQ against opponents' A-x/K-x outweighs the value I give up when I run into and get crushed by AA/KK."

[MrDarling]

TDid to well though to only lose the 480..instead of all preflop tho.

Result oriented.

Though I don't mind PF sometimes, especially if you are able to fold it when it seems obvious you are behind.

[odlozilik]

infact i've dropped nearly a buy-in with them (only over 400 or so hands though and included a stinger of a bad beat - Me QQ, Villian K9, Board - QK959 and got it all in on the flop)

Did you retype the board correctly? As posted, you have won this hand, or are you down a buy-in with QQ anyway?

[Kemics]

ack, my bad, should of been him catching a king on the river for a better boat.

Had a nice session today so my QQ's are a nice glowing green stat now