QQ overpair checkraised on flop
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QQ overpair checkraised on flop
I haven't been at the table long but my notes/stats on villain from another day put him at 50/26/1 over a small sample. My notes say he is a minraise donk preflop a lot.
I make a standard 4BB open from MP with QQ and get checkraised. What do I do on the flop? 3bet how much? Just call?
POKERSTARS GAME #15668619187: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/01 - 18:10:50 (ET)
Table 'Niobe IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: DERUY ($24.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: smallbet2 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Hauskater ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Duff@Poker ($24 in chips)
Hauskater: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
-CmvD-: sits out
sb222: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [Qs Qc]
Duff@Poker: folds
DERUY: folds
ErinJeff: raises $0.75 to $1
smallbet2: folds
Hauskater: folds
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 6s Jd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
ErinJeff: bets $1.50
-CmvD- leaves the table
fripotin joins the table at seat #8
CRUDEFINDER: raises $4.50 to $6
HERO ??
I make a standard 4BB open from MP with QQ and get checkraised. What do I do on the flop? 3bet how much? Just call?
POKERSTARS GAME #15668619187: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/01 - 18:10:50 (ET)
Table 'Niobe IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: DERUY ($24.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: smallbet2 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Hauskater ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Duff@Poker ($24 in chips)
Hauskater: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
-CmvD-: sits out
sb222: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [Qs Qc]
Duff@Poker: folds
DERUY: folds
ErinJeff: raises $0.75 to $1
smallbet2: folds
Hauskater: folds
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 6s Jd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
ErinJeff: bets $1.50
-CmvD- leaves the table
fripotin joins the table at seat #8
CRUDEFINDER: raises $4.50 to $6
HERO ??
- ErinJeff
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AJ – It’s an aggressive way to play it, unless he’s seen you c-bet a lot and wanted to know if you really have over PP or just AK, AQ.
Ax:diamond: - Very aggressive semi-bluff, hoping to slow you down, with a slash of fold equity thrown in.
76s – Speculative hand, possible
J7, J6 – Unlikely
77, 66 – To likely
With hands like this you need to ask yourself [i]“What if this aggression keeps up? My good Turn/River cards are limited (A, maybe only J). So I’m either ahead now and should raise back or I’m behind and should fold, calling doesn't hold much benefit. So how much are you willing to put in with TPTK? Because that pots growing and the bigger it gets the more he’s going to bet, so best get out cheap or make a standâ€
Ax:diamond: - Very aggressive semi-bluff, hoping to slow you down, with a slash of fold equity thrown in.
76s – Speculative hand, possible
J7, J6 – Unlikely
77, 66 – To likely
With hands like this you need to ask yourself [i]“What if this aggression keeps up? My good Turn/River cards are limited (A, maybe only J). So I’m either ahead now and should raise back or I’m behind and should fold, calling doesn't hold much benefit. So how much are you willing to put in with TPTK? Because that pots growing and the bigger it gets the more he’s going to bet, so best get out cheap or make a standâ€
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An edit: I had more hands on the guy than I thought. He is 43/20/1.2. It probably doesn't matter with regards to advising, but full disclosure...
POKERSTARS GAME #14683398652: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/01/19 - 22:42:37 (ET)
Table 'Circinus' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Mitchell_EEE ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 3: BL8CK DEATH ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 5: yipyapsap ($28.65 in chips)
Seat 6: CRUDEFINDER ($35.10 in chips)
Seat 8: psoharris ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 9: SanNeNe ($10 in chips)
yipyapsap: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [6h 5h]
Willipot 888 leaves the table
psoharris: folds
SanNeNe: folds
Mitchell_EEE: folds
BL8CK DEATH: raises $0.25 to $0.50
ErinJeff: folds
yipyapsap: folds
CRUDEFINDER: raises $1.50 to $2
BL8CK DEATH: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7h Ah]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $0.75
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [Kc 7h Ah] [Kd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $0.25
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7h Ah Kd] [3c]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $6
CRUDEFINDER: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BL8CK DEATH: shows [Ks 8h] (three of a kind, Kings)
CRUDEFINDER: mucks hand
BL8CK DEATH collected $17.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.10 | Rake $0.85
Board [Kc 7h Ah Kd 3c]
Seat 1: Mitchell_EEE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BL8CK DEATH showed [Ks 8h] and won ($17.25) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: ErinJeff (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: yipyapsap (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: CRUDEFINDER (big blind) mucked [8c 8s]
Seat 8: psoharris folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SanNeNe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
POKERSTARS GAME #14683398652: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/01/19 - 22:42:37 (ET)
Table 'Circinus' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Mitchell_EEE ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 3: BL8CK DEATH ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 5: yipyapsap ($28.65 in chips)
Seat 6: CRUDEFINDER ($35.10 in chips)
Seat 8: psoharris ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 9: SanNeNe ($10 in chips)
yipyapsap: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [6h 5h]
Willipot 888 leaves the table
psoharris: folds
SanNeNe: folds
Mitchell_EEE: folds
BL8CK DEATH: raises $0.25 to $0.50
ErinJeff: folds
yipyapsap: folds
CRUDEFINDER: raises $1.50 to $2
BL8CK DEATH: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7h Ah]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $0.75
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [Kc 7h Ah] [Kd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $0.25
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7h Ah Kd] [3c]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
BL8CK DEATH: bets $6
CRUDEFINDER: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BL8CK DEATH: shows [Ks 8h] (three of a kind, Kings)
CRUDEFINDER: mucks hand
BL8CK DEATH collected $17.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.10 | Rake $0.85
Board [Kc 7h Ah Kd 3c]
Seat 1: Mitchell_EEE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BL8CK DEATH showed [Ks 8h] and won ($17.25) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: ErinJeff (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: yipyapsap (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: CRUDEFINDER (big blind) mucked [8c 8s]
Seat 8: psoharris folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SanNeNe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
- ErinJeff
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Felting-Actually it doesn't. If only I had followed your advice.
Dollar-wise this is the biggest leak in my game-not giving crappy (by the stats) players the goods when they bet like they have them. These are always tough hands for me post-flop, and they tend to be the ones I lose big time on.
POKERSTARS GAME #15668619187: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/01 - 18:10:50 (ET)
Table 'Niobe IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: DERUY ($24.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: smallbet2 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Hauskater ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Duff@Poker ($24 in chips)
Hauskater: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
-CmvD-: sits out
sb222: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [Qs Qc]
Duff@Poker: folds
DERUY: folds
ErinJeff: raises $0.75 to $1
smallbet2: folds
Hauskater: folds
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 6s Jd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
ErinJeff: bets $1.50
-CmvD- leaves the table
fripotin joins the table at seat #8
CRUDEFINDER: raises $4.50 to $6
ErinJeff: raises $18 to $24 and is all-in
CRUDEFINDER: calls $18
*** TURN *** [7d 6s Jd] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7d 6s Jd 4d] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CRUDEFINDER: shows [6h 6c] (three of a kind, Sixes)
ErinJeff: mucks hand
CRUDEFINDER collected $47.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.10 | Rake $2.50
Board [7d 6s Jd 4d As]
Seat 2: DERUY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ErinJeff mucked [Qs Qc]
Seat 5: smallbet2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hauskater (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER (big blind) showed [6h 6c] and won ($47.60) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 9: Duff@Poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Dollar-wise this is the biggest leak in my game-not giving crappy (by the stats) players the goods when they bet like they have them. These are always tough hands for me post-flop, and they tend to be the ones I lose big time on.
POKERSTARS GAME #15668619187: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/01 - 18:10:50 (ET)
Table 'Niobe IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: DERUY ($24.55 in chips)
Seat 4: ErinJeff ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: smallbet2 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Hauskater ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Duff@Poker ($24 in chips)
Hauskater: posts small blind $0.10
CRUDEFINDER: posts big blind $0.25
-CmvD-: sits out
sb222: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [Qs Qc]
Duff@Poker: folds
DERUY: folds
ErinJeff: raises $0.75 to $1
smallbet2: folds
Hauskater: folds
CRUDEFINDER: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 6s Jd]
CRUDEFINDER: checks
ErinJeff: bets $1.50
-CmvD- leaves the table
fripotin joins the table at seat #8
CRUDEFINDER: raises $4.50 to $6
ErinJeff: raises $18 to $24 and is all-in
CRUDEFINDER: calls $18
*** TURN *** [7d 6s Jd] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7d 6s Jd 4d] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CRUDEFINDER: shows [6h 6c] (three of a kind, Sixes)
ErinJeff: mucks hand
CRUDEFINDER collected $47.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.10 | Rake $2.50
Board [7d 6s Jd 4d As]
Seat 2: DERUY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ErinJeff mucked [Qs Qc]
Seat 5: smallbet2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hauskater (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: CRUDEFINDER (big blind) showed [6h 6c] and won ($47.60) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 9: Duff@Poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
- ErinJeff
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- Location: South Carolina
Phil14312 wrote:He's 55/26 and you want to fold an overpair?
That was my thought, but somehow I'm always wrong.
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xDiamond_CutteRx - Moderator
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xDiamond_CutteRx wrote:Phil14312 wrote:He's 55/26 and you want to fold an overpair?
That was my thought, but somehow I'm always wrong.
You are all looking at the wrong stat.
He has an AF of 1 these calling stations never raise without a monster.
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gumbie - Posts: 696
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That could explain it... I don't use PT, so I wouldn't know. All I really know is that if the first number is high, the 2p2 donks are always saying "all in LDO."
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gumbie wrote:xDiamond_CutteRx wrote:Phil14312 wrote:He's 55/26 and you want to fold an overpair?
That was my thought, but somehow I'm always wrong.
You are all looking at the wrong stat.
He has an AF of 1 these calling stations never raise without a monster.
Maybe it plays out a little different in NL, but an AF of 1 w/ a 55/26 is pretty aggro.
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