question about calling some1 who u think has flush draw

[customrides]

Ok, heres a situation that I have been wondering about. Lets say some1 holds Q 10 not suited and some1 else is holding Ax of hearts. Every1 folds preflop except these 2 players. The flop comes Qh 10h 3s. Player 1 has hit top 2 pair on the flop and Player 2 is on the flush draw. Based on certain tels that player 2 does player 1 is almost positive that player 2 has the flush draw. Should player 1 call a large bet from player 2? Reraise? How would you play this situation if you were player 1? Thanks

[highscty]

This is a very interesting question. The answer is, of course, it depends. In a tournament I might actually fold in this situation ( if I wanted to stay alive) just because its too risky. Your opponent has a 35 percent chance to hit the flush but you also have about a 16 percent to hit the full house. In other words, your way ahead. He could hit the flush and still lose! In a cash game I would definetly re-raise all in ( unless it was my entire bankroll in which case id fold.) Another option might be to call and see if he hits the flush on the turn. If he misses then move all in. It depends on the size of his raise and the size of the pot.

A week ago in a home game sit and go no limit tournament I had a similar situation. I was heads up in this hand against a weak opponent who had a lot of chips. I had j,j and the flop was 9h,6h and a 3. he came out betting a huge amount! I was sure he was on the flush and i figured he had Ace king of hearts. I was ahead but not by much and I didn't want to risk my chip stack on this hand so I called his raise. When a blank came up I still checked because I just new he would call an all in and I wasn't willing to get eliminated. River came a heart and I folded.

[Dave B]

If he is smart-a large bet will get him to fold. Either way-heads up he should not call a large bet w/ a flush draw. Dont forget though-he could have flopped a set.

[JimiHWannaBe]

i will almost always reraise in that situation if im positive he has a flush draw if he wants to gamble with me im happy to oblige he only has about a 30 percent chance of hitting his flush barring he hasnt paired the board in which he would have alot more outs my general philosiphy on flush draws is if he wants to make his flushs hes gonna have to pay for it

[ashley]

in a cash game i agree with jimi the best move is definatly to reraise. it a tournament however i think the size of your chip stack comes into play alot more. With a relatively small chip stack to the rest of the players in the tournament i would say its worth the gamble as it will help your recovery. With a relativly large chipstack to the rest of the players in the tournament AND to him again the odds are worth it. If however he also has a large chip stack i dont think it is worth raising as you have pleantly of time to wait for a "sure thing" hand posibly cal or even fold depending on how agresive you are . If your chip stack is about average i think it depends on your personal preferences if you genrally grind it out then its not going to make sence to raise. if however you try to get the maximum out of opertunities that are mathematically in your favor then a reraise would be best for you.

[Poker_Vendetta]

IMO in this situation you must reraise and destroy the man's pot odds so it would be incorrect for him to call. Your chances of RE-improving to a full house to beat his flush if he made it are horrible to say the least, I can not give any specific odds but you DO NOT want that situation to arise. His chances of making the flush are what...Let's see: 13-4- 9 outs, out of 47 cards...Um roughly 5-1 just to make it quick. So, you must at least make it less than 5-1 on his money for him to call. Ex: Bet 250 into a pot of 500, it makes 250 to 750 for him to call or 3-1 on his money to call. The pot odds are 3-1 and he's getting 5-1 on his money his call would be incorrect. So there you go...you probably want to reraise and make him fold. It would be unbelievably hard to reraise in this situation if he has any knowledge of poker.

[JimiHWannaBe]

ive someone call me on 1.5:1 payout to 5:1 odds of his hitting his flush when i nailed the nut inside straight on the turn and he actually hit his flush one of the worst calls ive ever seen.

[Matt T]

Isn't this called "squeezing"? Per the "Successful Betting" article on this very website:

Squeezing is a tactic only used in a short-handed game. It's betting when you have a good hand currently, and you suspect another player or players may be on a draw. For example, you have top pair with the best kicker. Chances are they won't make their draw (be it a straight or a flush draw, etc). Your goal is to limit their pot odds.

I would have probably reraised but other factors would influence that decision (and I'm only a beginner so take that into consideration!).

[Golden Holden]

For the sake of argument, lets say you are positive hes on a flush draw.

Its true that you must adjust your game for tournament play (you're broke, you're out) If your opponent understands this as well, he'll fold his draw in a heartbeat to your all in raise.

However, there are many poor players out there, especially in low limit tournaments. Again, for the sake of argument, lets assume you are positive he'll call your all in. Do you still make the bet?

I would, every time. If a lesser player wants to take 1:1 odds on a 1:3 proposition, so be it. Bring it on. Sure, I'll get knocked out of 1 in 3 tournaments I play this way, but I'll double up and be in a dominant position for later rounds 2 out of 3 tournaments.

You can't just wait to flop the nut flush, or a boat. The blinds are gonna get you, maybe not this level or the next, but sooner or later. Chips must be made somehow, and this is an excellent opportunity. It shouldn't be missed.

I don't care if its the first hand of the WSOP. If I'm positive I'm getting those kind of odds, I'm racing to get all my chips in the middle.

[mindgame]

"You're broke, you're done."

Gotcha Cashman....that's a BIG tell--now I know I'm up against someone who's read Sklansky's tournament hold'em book and I have to worry about his "System."

[Golden Holden]

Ah, but thats not the only book I've read, mindgame.

[JohnnyCache]

"admin Overlord"?

[Golden Holden]

Too subtle?

[JohnnyCache]

The rest of us don't even get titles. . .

[DomTrix]

I agree with waiting till the turn, depening on the player of course. If you take someone all-in on the flop with the flush draw they are more likely to call (if you want that then fine). If you want to play safer, wait for the turn if he misses you can move all-in, his odds are now seriously reduced and you reduce a huge element of risk especially in a low limit tourney.

As for the 1 in 3 tourneys mullarky; I think playing a flush draw is one of the most common dillemmas in holdem, quite likely that you'll meet it 3 times in a tourney, so chances are you'll lose at some point...

Just my tuppence