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Questions about preflop selection

Postby blah730235 » Tue May 13, 2008 3:52 pm GMT

9 player NL Holdem, all stacks ~ 10$, 5c 10c blinds
I'm playing at a very loose passive preflop table. The times that i've raised 4x bb i've had mostly 3-6 callers and rarely I get 1-2 callers. I don't think once I've had everyone fold to a 4x bb raise.

1.
Hero is CO and is dealt [Qd Jh]
All limp to Hero, Hero??

I folded here, I figured if i raised and everyone called, I would be in a bad spot with TP against 8 players


2.
Hero is button and is dealt [Qs Js]
Limped to hero, hero??

I think a 4x raise here is good, if i get 1-2 callers i'll be looking for TP, if i get a ton of callers like normal I'll commit to the hand with a flush or straight.

3.
Hero is BB with [9s 9h]
Limped to hero, hero??

Check here and look for a set of 9s on the flop, god help me if the 9's become an overpair

4.
Hero is MP with [Ah Qd]
Limped to hero, hero??

Raise 6x-8x BB, with such a big raise it should hopefully help to thin the field? I've also noticed alot of these preflop calling stations will fold if they haven't limped first.

5.
Hero is CO with [9h 10d]

limped to hero, hero??

I folded here but I wonder if i'm losing value in the longrun?
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Tue May 13, 2008 3:59 pm GMT

1. Call. Raising is bad, folding is terrible. Get in cheap, and just be wary with top pair. You have position, so it's much easier to play. You can make some big hands, and it's cheap, so if your stack is deep, play.

2. Call. I don't understand why you want top pair here, but didn't want it last hand. This hand is slightly stronger than the last, but it's really not a great hand for a raised pot. This is a hand you generally want to see cheaply. With no steal value, this is a call.

3. Check. If raising will not thin the field, I do not want to bloat the pot out of position. Check and hope for a 9.

4. I don't know if you want to raise that big, but it might be a good play if you can safely commit with top pair. Depends how many limpers there are, and what they're probably limping with. If you raise here, it's for a combination reason of getting value and potentially buying position for the hand. There is a lot more to this hand than meets the eye and a ton depends on stack sizes and the type of opponent you have.

5. Arguments can be made for any play, but folding is the "safe" play. If bluffs don't often work, lean toward folding. If the game is loose and stacks are deep, lean toward calling. If the game is very tight, lean toward raising.
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Postby jeffonline » Wed May 14, 2008 12:47 am GMT

I’m not going to comment on your opening hands but offer an alternative that may help. Loose passive pre-flop tables can be punishing in the micro’s, big hands pre-flop are run down by SC, suited splits, A rag, all these are added to opening hand range when you have a lot of constant limpers. The limper encourages the limpers, they are now getting odds to call. With a late position raiser such as yourself who has a deep stack or an equal stack 100bb you are giving good implied odds. Villains know your range and can get away if they don’t hit their draws. You have already experienced how hard it is to shake them off, remember they do have implied odds working in their favour. Try buying in for a lessor amount and therefore not giving them the implied odds they need to call. Raise hit push against them.
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Re: Questions about preflop selection

Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed May 14, 2008 1:07 am GMT

blah730235 wrote:9 player NL Holdem, all stacks ~ 10$, 5c 10c blinds
I'm playing at a very loose passive preflop table. The times that i've raised 4x bb i've had mostly 3-6 callers and rarely I get 1-2 callers. I don't think once I've had everyone fold to a 4x bb raise.

1.
Hero is CO and is dealt [Qd Jh]
All limp to Hero, Hero??

I folded here, I figured if i raised and everyone called, I would be in a bad spot with TP against 8 players


2.
Hero is button and is dealt [Qs Js]
Limped to hero, hero??

I think a 4x raise here is good, if i get 1-2 callers i'll be looking for TP, if i get a ton of callers like normal I'll commit to the hand with a flush or straight.

3.
Hero is BB with [9s 9h]
Limped to hero, hero??

Check here and look for a set of 9s on the flop, god help me if the 9's become an overpair

4.
Hero is MP with [Ah Qd]
Limped to hero, hero??

Raise 6x-8x BB, with such a big raise it should hopefully help to thin the field? I've also noticed alot of these preflop calling stations will fold if they haven't limped first.

5.
Hero is CO with [9h 10d]

limped to hero, hero??

I folded here but I wonder if i'm losing value in the longrun?


1. Well, at a LOOSE table you're raising for value. You're hoping people will call with junk like Q9 and hopefully stack off with a Q, which from what I remember is quite likely at 10NL lol.
Personally, I would raise 4x or 5xbb +1bb perlimper, but if you aren't confident playing this hand just limp it. Whatever you do, don't fold.

2. Same as hand 1, just with even more reason to throw in a sizable raise (position, suited).

3. Check if you're uncomfortable playing it in a raised pot OOP. Most of the time you raise you'll be setmining anyway, unless you get the field down to 3 ppl (inc. yourself)

4. Raise 5xbb per limper, or more if they'll call with worse. Again, raising for value. Raising for deception is not necessary here.

5. limp, fold, raise if you're confident you can outplay postflop and get thin value (doesn't look too likely w/this hand though). No play is really too far off here IMO.
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Re: Questions about preflop selection

Postby supafrey » Wed May 14, 2008 8:58 am GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:
blah730235 wrote:9 player NL Holdem, all stacks ~ 10$, 5c 10c blinds
I'm playing at a very loose passive preflop table. The times that i've raised 4x bb i've had mostly 3-6 callers and rarely I get 1-2 callers. I don't think once I've had everyone fold to a 4x bb raise.

1.
Hero is CO and is dealt [Qd Jh]
All limp to Hero, Hero??

I folded here, I figured if i raised and everyone called, I would be in a bad spot with TP against 8 players


2.
Hero is button and is dealt [Qs Js]
Limped to hero, hero??

I think a 4x raise here is good, if i get 1-2 callers i'll be looking for TP, if i get a ton of callers like normal I'll commit to the hand with a flush or straight.

3.
Hero is BB with [9s 9h]
Limped to hero, hero??

Check here and look for a set of 9s on the flop, god help me if the 9's become an overpair

4.
Hero is MP with [Ah Qd]
Limped to hero, hero??

Raise 6x-8x BB, with such a big raise it should hopefully help to thin the field? I've also noticed alot of these preflop calling stations will fold if they haven't limped first.

5.
Hero is CO with [9h 10d]

limped to hero, hero??

I folded here but I wonder if i'm losing value in the longrun?


1. Well, at a LOOSE table you're raising for value. You're hoping people will call with junk like Q9 and hopefully stack off with a Q, which from what I remember is quite likely at 10NL lol.
Personally, I would raise 4x or 5xbb +1bb perlimper, but if you aren't confident playing this hand just limp it. Whatever you do, don't fold.

2. Same as hand 1, just with even more reason to throw in a sizable raise (position, suited).

3. Check if you're uncomfortable playing it in a raised pot OOP. Most of the time you raise you'll be setmining anyway, unless you get the field down to 3 ppl (inc. yourself)

4. Raise 5xbb per limper, or more if they'll call with worse. Again, raising for value. Raising for deception is not necessary here.

5. limp, fold, raise if you're confident you can outplay postflop and get thin value (doesn't look too likely w/this hand though). No play is really too far off here IMO.


what. the. heck.
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Postby supafrey » Wed May 14, 2008 9:02 am GMT

Limp, Limp, Limp, raise, limp/fold.

Most plays depend on the first limper and their stats... Raising with most of these hands loses too much value.
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Re: Questions about preflop selection

Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Thu May 15, 2008 2:35 am GMT

supafrey wrote:
miaowmiaowchowface wrote:
blah730235 wrote:9 player NL Holdem, all stacks ~ 10$, 5c 10c blinds
I'm playing at a very loose passive preflop table. The times that i've raised 4x bb i've had mostly 3-6 callers and rarely I get 1-2 callers. I don't think once I've had everyone fold to a 4x bb raise.

1.
Hero is CO and is dealt [Qd Jh]
All limp to Hero, Hero??

I folded here, I figured if i raised and everyone called, I would be in a bad spot with TP against 8 players


2.
Hero is button and is dealt [Qs Js]
Limped to hero, hero??

I think a 4x raise here is good, if i get 1-2 callers i'll be looking for TP, if i get a ton of callers like normal I'll commit to the hand with a flush or straight.

3.
Hero is BB with [9s 9h]
Limped to hero, hero??

Check here and look for a set of 9s on the flop, god help me if the 9's become an overpair

4.
Hero is MP with [Ah Qd]
Limped to hero, hero??

Raise 6x-8x BB, with such a big raise it should hopefully help to thin the field? I've also noticed alot of these preflop calling stations will fold if they haven't limped first.

5.
Hero is CO with [9h 10d]

limped to hero, hero??

I folded here but I wonder if i'm losing value in the longrun?


1. Well, at a LOOSE table you're raising for value. You're hoping people will call with junk like Q9 and hopefully stack off with a Q, which from what I remember is quite likely at 10NL lol.
Personally, I would raise 4x or 5xbb +1bb perlimper, but if you aren't confident playing this hand just limp it. Whatever you do, don't fold.

2. Same as hand 1, just with even more reason to throw in a sizable raise (position, suited).

3. Check if you're uncomfortable playing it in a raised pot OOP. Most of the time you raise you'll be setmining anyway, unless you get the field down to 3 ppl (inc. yourself)

4. Raise 5xbb per limper, or more if they'll call with worse. Again, raising for value. Raising for deception is not necessary here.

5. limp, fold, raise if you're confident you can outplay postflop and get thin value (doesn't look too likely w/this hand though). No play is really too far off here IMO.


what. the. heck.


I see plenty of value in raising QJ preflop IP at micros, seeing anyone stacks off with a pair of anything
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