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Postby MrDarling » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:18 pm GMT

Villain seems like normal TAG. He hasn't been at the table too long. I also play normal TAG this session.
However this is the second time I raise in a raw.

Questions :

1. what do I have and what am I repping?
2. what do you do if you have : (fold/call/push)
A. AdAc
B. AdKh
C. 66
D. 9c9h

FullTiltPoker Game #5941559493: Table Dinning (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:56:38 ET - 2008/04/07
Seat 1: Zappa31 ($177)
Seat 2: smoking oli ($200), is sitting out
Seat 3: snethan123 ($217.80)
Seat 4: Hero ($419.45)
Seat 5: b9Ryan ($465.90)
Seat 6: tweetzer ($129.05)
Zappa31 posts the small blind of $1
snethan123 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [X X]
Hero raises to $7
b9Ryan folds
tweetzer folds
Zappa31 folds
snethan123 raises to $25
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $18
*** FLOP *** [Th 6h 3h]
snethan123 has 15 seconds left to act
snethan123 bets $38
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $95
Last edited by MrDarling on Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:06 pm GMT, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:32 pm GMT

1. Hero can have [Xh Yh (especially any Ax hearts, but to call the repop preflop I'm thinking big). TT, 66, 33, [Ah] x hands, and maybe some other random junk like 99/88, etc that is taking advantage of an obviously scary flop. What you are repping is probably a made flush, top set, or a BIG Ax of hearts (AK or AQ may have extra outs against some hands in villain's range, and those are about the only unsuited aces I see you calling a repop with).

2. What I would call with of course depends on PokerStove results, but I'll try and play it off the top of my head for now.

a. Fold, because against several categories of hands I am drawing dead or drawing to 2 outs, and even against other hands I'm not in that great of shape and staring down bad RIO. I'm not committed on this flop, so I fold. Possible option to push, as we started with only 4x the pot when we go to the flop, but we have no fold equity (except vs bluffs, which don't really count), and hands that call have enough equity to draw profitably at this point.

b. Probably fold, but I'm troubled because if I have the [Ah] I probably call, because the range of your flushes is somewhat skewed toward the Ace high flush, and we have no pair and thus low equity against most hands in your range. Running into AK with the [Ah] is a disaster for us, and running into a set is pretty bad. Again, not committed, so I probably fold.

c. Push. Even if you have the flush, we have a redraw. If we're up against TT, so be it, but we crush 33 and any draw. Our equity is easily enough to justify a shove, even if we're up against a flush a significant portion of the time. Here, I think we are committed.

d. Fold, due to the fact that we're either way behind or probably racing, as in the case of AA without a heart. Not committed, so I fold.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:58 pm GMT

Being the fish I am, I'd Say ur range is pretty wide, could be Ahx, A made K-hi or A-hi flush, maybe lower... but I don't know if raising SC's in EP is standard in six-max.
This or a set (maybe even AT), or a pocket pair trying to scare the villain.

Villain puts you on range - pair prolly.

A: Prolly fold. I'd imagine you won't call shove without Ace hearts or better (AKA majority of ur range)

B: Fold also. Same reasoning. I def. think cannot just cold call in this position.

C: Shove. I think 66 is ahead of ur range. We still have outs.

D: Fold: beaten by anything but pure bluff right (which will prolly fold)

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Postby Jauron » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:12 pm GMT

If you really are playing TAG, range of AQ+ 1010+. Maybe this is too narrow but UTG from Tag + call should mean real hand.


A. Push -I think we are ahead here most of the time, despite no FE I'll go up against a FD with 1/3 of my stack already in.
B. Fold - Don't like pushing w/o FE and non nut draw
C. Push - Outs if we run up against AKs or AQs
D. Fold - Bluff catcher
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Postby gumbie » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:52 pm GMT

1. you could have anything.

2. push aa kk no heart 77+ with a heart, 2 pair set and fold other.
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Postby Ensano » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:17 pm GMT

gumbie wrote:1. you could have anything.

2. push aa kk no heart 77+ with a heart, 2 pair set and fold other.


agreed... but you also raise donkbets with any two and this is also a nice flop for a raise...

I say you have AQ no heart...
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Postby tame_deuces » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:14 am GMT

Since you're playing TAG and seem solid (and I see you as such) and you're calling off 10% effective stacks preflop I'd put you on a very strong hand, most likely a pretty big pair.

Either that or you were going to raise this flop regardless of what well. I would doubt you called of so huge to 'see a flop' and go from there. Its hard to put a solid TAG on a bluff in this pos tho (not that a solid TAG wouldn't do it, he would, its hard for other reasons).

I have no fold equity except against pure bluffs with current stacksizes so I'd need genuine equity to shove, killer draw or made hand (AA/KK, OP+heart or big ace+heart and better), the rest is going in the bin.

With a TAG image, I'd say you are repping fairly narrow, and if I had never seen you do a spazzy bluff I would fold a huge part of my range.
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Postby Yozman » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:26 am GMT

a-fold
b-fold
c-push even if he has the flush ur only a 2-1 dog
d-fold
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