Removed... tired of argueing

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:38 am GMT

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:19 am GMT

Removed

ScanX · by **ScanX** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:51 am GMT

You seriously don't get it, do you ?

Of course luck exists in poker. Noone said that this game was luck free. The point is that luck isn't a factor anymore in the LONG term.
It's blatent that this guy got lucky with his runner runner, but play the same hand 1000 times (after the flop...because your call preflop is of course very bad), you will win your hand about 965 times.

And the hands that you are dealt on online poker sites are shuffled in advance and stored in a database...it's not like there's a computer that decides : "hmmm I'm gonna give that guy that card, oh and that one will get rags niark niark"

On a final note, I suggest you don't go out anymore because there are accidents everyday, that's a proven fact. So why would you want to risk your life when you know you're safe at home ?

kingking · by **kingking** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:30 am GMT

I can't even imagine why these sites would risk there lucrative business by doing this either, but some of the luck seems very strange and not random.. I have seen it as well and it is a chosen one theory. After this discussion yesterday I played 2 sit n go's at TP and both had one person who defied the odds during the entire tourney. I placed 3rd in both and was happy to get paid but I found it comical considering this discussion.

In the 2nd tourney the chosen one was such a horrible player I couldn't wait for the oppotunity to bet him but the cards didn't line up and he caught whatever card he needed just about every time he stuck around for the river (which was way too much).

The second hand of the tourney this guy was dealt AA in the number one position and he goes all in with his $800 chips of course no one calls and he wins a whopping $23 sb and bb. I couldn't wait for the guy to get knocked out so I could flame him but he just kept catching cards. He'd stay in with Q 5 call 25% of his bank roll with an A and a K on the flop and he catches Q 5 on the turn and river to beat the A.. It just kept on and the player was so bad I just wanted a shot to get at him but it didnt happen. Oh well I have him listed as a bad player I will get him next time...

It's strange...I hope that this just turns out to be nothing because I really enjoy the graphics and play at TP.. I signed up at UB so I have nothing more to complain about....

Was that smoke coming from the grassy knoll?

cayouche · by **cayouche** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:17 pm GMT

kingking,

Don't worry, your exemple has nothing to do with any "Chosen One" theories. That will happen quite often in play money because it's the kind of players who want to get a few to call, then win, then sit out until the end, to finish second or third. If they don't win when they go all-in, they just try again at another SnG.

I can give out more exemples to show that there's no such theories.

In a home game, a guy gets rockets like four times in one night, A-K, A-Q, etc etc. Just a lucky night for him and of course he won that night (against me who finished seccond :wink:

). It was just his night, he was the "Chosen One".

In a casino, again, at the $5-$10 table, I'm in early position if I remember correctly, i get dealt J-K, I bet, everyone folds except one guy. The flop, J-K-x. Flopped top 2 pairs. w00t!! Turn, x. River, 3. Board shows J-K-x-x-3. I bet again, the other guy calls. Flip his cards, pocket 3s. WTF??!! Dumb play by him. He's no "Chosen One", he was just one lucky mofo. :lol:

Always_Bored · by **Always_Bored** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:07 pm GMT

im sick of this conversation. Just because you get a few bad beats or play a few strong hands because you think they are invincible and they arent doesnt meant the software is rigged.

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:23 pm GMT

Removed... tired of argueing

ScanX · by **ScanX** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:38 pm GMT

yeah cadman that's called "playing with people who have no clue about odds"...what do you think, that there are 9 Howard Lederer sitting with you at a PLAY MONEY table ??

You focus so much on your stupid theory that you only see it.

And to be honest, now you said you're gonna quit online poker, quit that forum aswell because as Always_bored said : you're getting fckin annoying.

Hey look behind you, a flying cow !!

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:42 pm GMT

Removed... tired of argueing

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:44 pm GMT

Removed... tired of argueing

ScanX · by **ScanX** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:56 pm GMT

I'm closed minded ? you're the one being stubborn here.

It has been said dozens of times that sites aren't rigged because they just don't need to be rigged to win money. But no, you keep posting random hands where you've had a bad beat.

It's not like blackjack or roulette where the bank PAYS the winner(s), here all they do is collect the money.

They do NOT need to create bad beat situations, because those situations happen spontaneously...is that so hard to understand ?
Humans playing against humans...that means that there are gonna be mistakes, thousands of mistakes, everyday. And that's why those sites make money, because players make mistakes, call when they shouldn't, go on tilt and play like mads etc etc

"What would be a reason for cardrooms to help terrible players win in play money by giving them the cards they need".

Wow, you seriously have to be a genious to answer that one...that's so obvious that I wonder why they bothered answering.

"Now as I've said a half dozen times. I have no idea if this exists in real money games, but if the software is supposed to be the same, then why wouldn't it be in both?"

It doesnt even exist in play money...who are you to be so affirmative saying those sites are rigged ? You had some paranoiac vision someday and decided that you would focus on it and waste your time proving to yourself that you were right ?

Reminds me of "A beautiful mind"...except that John Nash actually was a genius

Larchuck · by **Larchuck** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:24 pm GMT

The Answer

Just become the "Chosen One"!

Use the force!

thecadman · by **thecadman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:01 pm GMT

Removed... tired of argueing

ScanX · by **ScanX** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:51 pm GMT

The funniest thing is that I bring new facts to counter your theory but you never comment them, you just repeat again and again the same thing.

Your whole theory itself doesnt even make sense.
Giving a rush to someone who just joined the table just to make him think he's good so he deposits cash...

Your theory would make more sense if they did that to someone who had just signed in to the site, but still I wouldn't believe a word of it.

Those sites make hundreds of thousands of bucks, but they would risk to blow it all by creating a pattern that anyone could detect ?

Dont you think they would do it in a WAY more subtle manner than what you described ?

Oh and no need to call me a smartass just because you can't prove your point.