Ruling Question?

[Smudge]

Apologies if this scenario has been covered before, i looked over the last couple of pages and didnt see it so here goes.

I was playing a freeze out tournament at a local casino. One hand, cards dealt, mixture of limpers and folders round to the small blind who puts in a small raise, big blind plus two others call. Flop comes K X X.

Small blind raises a pretty large amount. Big blind calls, dealer turns to face the other side of the table where there is a fold, she then burns and flips the turn (K) without realising there was another guy back on the other side of the table who had not acted on the flop.

So now he hasnt called, raised or folded to the bet on the flop but he has seen the turn. He has a hand so doenst know what to do, floor manager is called. Ultimately the guy said he would fold and did so (good decision as it transpired)so the play was just allowed to go on with the two blinds still in the hand.

But if he had insisted that he wanted to play his hand, was holding a King for example, and since the problem wasnt of his making, what should have been done?

[Ensano]

they can't force his hand to be dead because of the dealer...

[supafrey]

This kind of thing happens about 20 times a day at the casino. The floor is called over, the situation is explained painfully slowly, and then the turn is put back into the deck, the guy who missed his action gets a chance to play, and a new turn is dealt. No significant action after the mistake AND no real mistake on the player's part makes this a relatively easy fix.

[Dave B]

Just to agree with, but slightly clarify on Supa's remarks, the deck is re-shuffled w/ the K back into the deck before the new turn is dealt.

[HalfSugar]

The floor is called over, the situation is explained painfully slowly

Ah live play. There is perhaps nothing more amusing/annoying than a floor man arriving to a gaggle of idiots all throwing the same scenario at him eight different ways. I feel for those guys at times like that.

[golddog]

The floor is called over, the situation is explained painfully slowly

Ah live play. There is perhaps nothing more amusing/annoying than a floor man arriving to a gaggle of idiots all throwing the same scenario at him eight different ways. I feel for those guys at times like that.

Eight different ways, but all at the same time.

Dave's right on. Turn into the deck, re-shuffle, post-flop action completes, new turn.

[weirdofreek]

This happened to me recently in AC. Natural river was preserved (dealt as new turn card after flop action completed) and deck was reshuffled and a "new" river was dealt.

[raisebot]

This happened to me recently in AC. Natural river was preserved (dealt as new turn card after flop action completed) and deck was reshuffled and a "new" river was dealt.

Absolutely correct.

Since the (early) burn card on the turn would have been the burn card regardless, no new burn card is put out, what would have been the natural river is now your new turn and the remainder of the stub (not the muck) is reshuffled including the early turn card, thereby still giving it a chance to come out.

By the casino letting the player fold and let the other two play on like nothing happened, is a horrible mistake in my opinion. Say the guy flopped bottom two paid and was planning on raising, now he has to somewhat give away the strength of his hand if he decided to argue for the K to be reshuffled.