seemingly straightforward deep spot, HU

[miaowmiaowchowface]

I dno if anyone was watching this when it happened but I've asked a couple ppl and got mixed results to my surprise.

Seat 3: V ($9666 in chips)
Seat 5: H ($25884.60 in chips)
H: posts small blind $25
V: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [5d Jd]
H: raises $50 to $100
V: raises $300 to $400
H: raises $1000 to $1400
V: calls $1000
*** FLOP *** [2c Jc 7c]
V: bets $8266 and is all-in

We we're playing for at least 2 hours i think already over 4 tables. I'm roughly 40k up, it was 50 but he just won a buyin or two back.

For those that don't know him, he is generally EXTREMELY nitty, and always has it. In a single raised pot, it's almost worth not playing a pot over 8bb's with a single pair. He also LOVES to slowplay things oop and IP, so rarely bets on the flop and turn at all. He also loves playing his draws uber-aggressively. but recently since he's been tilting wildly he's gone into *spaz mode* which he's well known for- recent history-
he shoves 33 over a 3bet of mine and i snap with QK hold.

He calls a 4bet oop with J9s and shoves AQTxxy flop, which I tank and call with AKzz 100bb deep.

soooo at the time this is a pretty awful hand to 4bet because he calls his entire 3betting range OOP when in spaz mode (but shoves the high end, probably JJ+AQ+) so he doesn't have anything particularly good.
To the hand though, can we ever really call this (re. timing, he autoshoved flop)? I expect him to play the AcXx this way pretty much all the time even though he already did it once. maybe even KcXx or KQxc/cx. I'm just wondering which parts of his range
that have me crushed do we think he's autoshoving. He could be trying to represent tilt with a set, or flopped flush but his natural playing style doesn't lend itself to this, especially seeing he knows I'm highly likely to cbet this flop.
I guess he could also shove JX and still have me done in pretty badly, but I think he can be shoving random pairs + a club here as well. Seeing I don't know how to do equity calcs this is pretty tough for me lolz.

Anyway cheers for any suggestions, lol at this essay

[odlozilik]

That's all too sick to comment at all, lol! I could never play like this, so I am probably the fish forever.

[Jauron]

My initial read was ACXx like you said but I don't play this high and feel like I should just shut up.

IMO players who spaz are rarely tricky.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

no im aware u guys dont play this high, but that doesn't mean u cant comment lol, otherwise i wouldnt bother to post

also another thing to factor in is the fact that if we win this hand we will regain the momentum in this match, and then watch him spaz out even further, hoping he doesn't quit. Altho if we lose he regains momentum quite a bit, and may start playing less tiltily

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

If villain is prone to make really bizarre plays even occasionally I snap-call here.

That doesn't seem like the case here, so I probably snap fold and don't worry too much about him. If he's nitty, even his reasonable draws here have pretty good equity, and virtually everything else crushes us.

[HalfSugar]

You called. It's only money right?

[mortaleclipse]

I think if you do have a edge in the hand, it cant be by much.

[gumbie]

This is a call.

[MrDarling]

As you know HU is all about dynamic and momentum, so its pretty hard to comment, even if you do descirbe in details the last 10 hands in each table.
Like you said 4B this is pretty bad, in fact if he spazzy and is likely to 3B lite, I think there is no shame in open folding this some times.

As played, if he's decent and knows he looks tilty at the moment then I doubt he's shoving 64s or 66 with no clubs. I'm guessing at best we'll see a hand like 78s with no club, but more often something like 66 with a club, better J or over+club.
Since he have the momentum, its unlikely he does it without decent equity (which makes PF even worse) I say its a fold.

[Felting]

For those that don't know him, he is generally EXTREMELY nitty, and always has it. In a single raised pot, it's almost worth not playing a pot over 8bb's with a single pair. He also LOVES to slowplay things oop and IP, so rarely bets on the flop and turn at all. He also loves playing his draws uber-aggressively. but recently since he's been tilting wildly he's gone into *spaz mode* which he's well known for- recent history-

Are u playing Phil Helmuth HU?

[snoogins47]

This might well be a call, which is why I don't play HUNL.

Given that we don't know him well enough it seems to be a close decision, and I vote folding. Even if it's wrong equity wise it's close (you're so rarely significantly ahead, though you only need what, ~45% to call here) enough that you can't be leaving much money on the table, and I'd rather keep a nit in tilt/spazzville than flip a coin, particularly because of those times you hold up and he leaves the table, and all those times he wins the hand and calms down a lot.