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series of cash hands..

Postby Ciso_B » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:33 am GMT

Right , so after getting coolered/bad beated/ sucked out on and 1 mtt playing poorly in. I decided to play some nl 400 for wee while. I did alright for the session, making around $300 or so. But obviously I could have played poorly, heres a some hands I played where I felt I maybe misplayed or could have taken different routes.
These hands weren't played in chronological order btw:

PokerStars Game #24182589354: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 6:26:26 GMT [2009/01/23 1:26:26 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Cow357 ($416.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($852 in chips)
Seat 3: railbender2 ($441.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Bri-c ($506.80 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($402 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($400 in chips)
daaaf: posts small blind $2
xbangbang07x: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Tc Kh]
Cow357: folds
Neab: raises $8 to $12
railbender2: folds
Bri-c: calls $12
daaaf: folds
xbangbang07x: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 4s Ts]
Neab: bets $16
Bri-c: calls $16
*** TURN *** [7c 4s Ts] [6h]
Neab: bets $36
Bri-c: folds

Not sure if my bet sizing is correct here, is betting $16 on flop ok?

PokerStars Game #24182869153: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 6:44:29 GMT [2009/01/23 1:44:29 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Cow357 ($517 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($884.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Bri-c ($491.80 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($394 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($410 in chips)
Bri-c: posts small blind $2
daaaf: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ac Qc]
xbangbang07x: folds
Cow357: folds
Neab: raises $8 to $12
Bri-c: folds
daaaf: raises $28 to $40
stackthefelt has returned
Neab: calls $28
*** FLOP *** [5c 4h 4s]
daaaf: bets $60
Neab: folds

This hand I felt like I could have re re raised pf, cos he had been pretty liberal with his 3 bets...But this was a rare one where he re raising from bb.



PokerStars Game #24182283357: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 6:07:33 GMT [2009/01/23 1:07:33 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Neab ($514 in chips)
Seat 4: blackcr ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($250.30 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($602 in chips)
daaaf: posts small blind $2
xbangbang07x: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ac 7s]
Neab: raises $8 to $12
blackcr: calls $12
daaaf: folds
xbangbang07x: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 3h 7d]
Neab: checks
blackcr: bets $20
Neab: calls $20
*** TURN *** [2h 3h 7d] [Kc]
Neab: checks
blackcr: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 3h 7d Kc] [Kh]
Neab: checks
blackcr: checks

Im oop , Im kinda playing on the assumption these guys are gonna fire at weak pots, once ive flatted the flop hes given up by the looks of it ...so should I vbet river or check/call? Or c/r flop maybe?




PokerStars Game #24182050826: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 5:54:03 GMT [2009/01/23 0:54:03 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Neab ($406 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($478.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Jimmers28 ($771.50 in chips)
Jimmers28: posts small blind $2
Neab: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Qd Ad]
daaaf: raises $12 to $16
Jimmers28: folds
Neab: raises $34 to $50
daaaf: calls $34
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5h 5d]
Neab: checks
daaaf: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 5h 5d] [3h]
Bouge_Todd leaves the table
Neab: bets $65
daaaf: calls $65
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5h 5d 3h] [Ts]
Neab: checks
daaaf: checks

We're 3 handed, and this guy is very agressive if hes first in, so its no brainer to play the hand, and even though im oop , re raising is definitely wise. Where I felt like I may have gone wrong is not betting the river here. I kinda gave him a heart draw or something like 88. I think on the flop what I decided was, if i lead right out, he's might well fold, but hes a bit crazy and might do something crazy.So I thought I'd see what he did, when he checks back, Im firing most turns, cos I can for sure check oop with Ak, or AA or something...once he called, i chickened on the river , despite his hand looking no stronger than 99 imo.






PokerStars Game #24182455163: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 6:18:02 GMT [2009/01/23 1:18:02 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Cow357 ($446.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($525.60 in chips)
Seat 3: railbender2 ($221.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Bri-c ($546.30 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($270.30 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($478 in chips)
Neab: posts small blind $2
railbender2: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ad Ts]
Bri-c: folds
daaaf: raises $12 to $16
xbangbang07x: folds
Cow357: folds
Neab: calls $14
railbender2: folds
*** FLOP *** [9h Kc Tc]
Neab: checks
daaaf: bets $24
Neab: calls $24
*** TURN *** [9h Kc Tc] [4d]
Neab: checks
daaaf: checks
*** RIVER *** [9h Kc Tc 4d] [7h]
Neab: checks
daaaf: checks

Again, the guy who'd been raising alot pf... I didn't want to bloat the pot by check raising, but I felt I had what is most probably the better hand. When he checks behind on turn, Im really thinking Im good now...But where maybe I go wrong is not vbetting river? Im almost certainly calling if he bets.



PokerStars Game #24183025054: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 6:55:10 GMT [2009/01/23 1:55:10 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Cow357 ($400 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($832.40 in chips)
Seat 3: stackthefelt ($405.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Bri-c ($404 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($450.30 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($812.50 in chips)
daaaf: posts small blind $2
xbangbang07x: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [9c 9d]
Cow357: folds
Neab: raises $8 to $12
stackthefelt: folds
Bri-c: calls $12
daaaf: folds
xbangbang07x: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Td 3h]
Neab: bets $18
Bri-c: calls $18
*** TURN *** [6c Td 3h] [Kh]
Neab: checks
Bri-c: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c Td 3h Kh] [Qs]
Neab: checks
Bri-c: checks

This guy was noted as cagey, I beleive he was down a bi at this stage, becuase he wasnt like the other guys who wud insta rr with tp type hands, it lead me to beleive I could be beat right away on flop...Plus becuase he was a bit loose/passive, I thought he could very easy peel a turn card with KQ or something. Still, I think Im meant to bet the turn, and maybe bet the flop more right?



PokerStars Game #24183097289: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2009/01/23 7:00:12 GMT [2009/01/23 2:00:12 ET]
Table 'Dolon III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: xpjsx ($396 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($822.40 in chips)
Seat 3: stackthefelt ($406 in chips)
Seat 4: Bri-c ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaf ($1310.50 in chips)
Seat 6: xbangbang07x ($806.50 in chips)
xpjsx: posts small blind $2
Neab: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Jh Jd]
stackthefelt: folds
Bri-c: raises $5.50 to $9.50
daaaf: folds
xbangbang07x: folds
xpjsx: folds
Neab: raises $23.50 to $33
Bri-c: calls $23.50
*** FLOP *** [4h 5s As]
Neab: checks
Bri-c: checks
*** TURN *** [4h 5s As] [4d]
Neab: checks
Bri-c: checks
*** RIVER *** [4h 5s As 4d] [9s]
Neab: checks
Bri-c: checks

Same cagey guy, because of seeing him show a propensity to sd cheaply alot of the time, I didn't fancy betting throughout here, although I think a $45 river bet would be fine cos he might be fishy enough to call with 8s or something even though my hand kinda stinks of KK. Case for just betting out on flop too here imo.
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Postby odlozilik » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:24 am GMT

I am surprised nobody actually tried to steal the pot from you last 5 hands, you had to be really respected.
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Postby MrDarling » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:52 am GMT

I don't like many hands in one topic, but because its you I'll give it a go.

Hand 1 :
pretty loose opening PF. Your bet sizing is ok, if you were planing to call a raise. Personally, w/o reads, I bet bigger/fold this.

Hand 2 : BTN vs BB against an aggressive you can 4B/get it in all day and not feel bad about it. if he have better its a cooler.
As played, you can't call Pf and fold on this dry flop. I float this all day long, assuming I have the best hand a lot + I can bluff off AK. Another approach (which I've never tried) is to simply push over the top most flops. He's likely to fold AK and you have at least 6 outs against most of his calling range. And he might even fold 77-TT as people love to call with KK+ IP

Hand 3 : Am not a big fan of the chk/guessing game with such a marginal hand. So many bad turns+card and if villain is any decent he can easily put you on a big A or a small pair and vbet/bluff optimally. c/c this river is horrible against component players. Would you c/c with AQ here?

Hand 4 : This is either bet once give up on the flop, or 3 barrel AI. Once he chk behind, its pretty obvious he have SD value so I would simply chk it down. He's almost never betting 88 on the turn or river, but he also don't fold them to one bet, and not always for 2 bets AI.

Hand 5 : vbetting this river is very thin, as he never folds better and hardly ever calls with worse. However, if its in your game plan to c/c with draws OOP, you have to vbet thinly so you'd be able to bluff when you miss. This is more important if you think you'll play with the same crowd day in day out. Other wise, balancing your range is not that important.

Hand 6 : really depends on the guy. If he's likely to float flop+turn with 77 then I like a bet on the turn.
If he's likely to fold a T to a turn bet, then I'm likely to bet the K (especially as I will be betting it if I open a hand w/o SD value)
however if he's passive and you don't expect him to bluff, checking it down is cool.

Hand 7 : well played against this kind of player. Though I might bet the turn once. river bet is horrible.
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Postby Jernej Zorec » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:31 pm GMT

in the last hand i would bet flop probably always with jj
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