Seven Card Stud Discussion Board

[pm_french]

Evening,

Excellent board for hold em discussion however I'm looking for a board which is similar but for 7 card stud, ie, predominantly stud/minimal holdem?

Can anyone help?

Regards.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

If you're asking for another site, obviously we will not advertise it here.

But if you want to talk about 7-Stud, there are a few players here (myself included), who are interested in discussing it.

[BeerWench13]

I love 7-stud. I play it for small stakes since I'm not really good at it yet, but it's a great game. There are quite a few here who play it regularly also. Ask away.

[JewishPete]

Feel free to ask anything.
I have played stud for years, and can probably help you a bit.

[JohnnyCache]

Pete, man, you should right a little on here about the game from the ground up. . . the discussion in this section is a little . . .tepid. . . and I for one, would really like to know stud the way I know holdem.

For example, what's better to have to start with - a pair and a good kicker, or a run of three/three of a suit? Am I correct in assuming trips are some of the best starting deals, or do they get passed by straights and flushes more then I'm thinking?

[BeerWench13]

what's better to have to start with - a pair and a good kicker, or a run of three/three of a suit? Am I correct in assuming trips are some of the best starting deals, or do they get passed by straights and flushes more then I'm thinking?

Good questions. I was wondering much of the same. I don't know 7S like I know HE, so any information regarding starting hands would be great. I'm pretty decent at figuring out my opponent's hand(s) for the most part, but that's about it.

[JewishPete]

Pete, man, you should right a little on here about the game from the ground up. . . the discussion in this section is a little . . .tepid. . . and I for one, would really like to know stud the way I know holdem.

For example, what's better to have to start with - a pair and a good kicker, or a run of three/three of a suit? Am I correct in assuming trips are some of the best starting deals, or do they get passed by straights and flushes more then I'm thinking?

I could definitely work on that kind of guide if it is helpful to many people, or maybe even just a starting hand guide.
As far as the first question. Statistically, you're correct, 3 of a kind is the best starting hand. Many 'pros' insist on slowplaying trips, which IMO couldn't be any worse of an idea at a full table. I'm not sure of the exact statistic anymore, but if you are 7 handed and everyone is dealt down to 7th street, I believe it is something AROUND (do not take the statistic to heart) 59% of the time that someone will hold a straight or better.

I'm not ultra familiar with how people play online stud (most of my time was B&M) but I will say that it is a great game.
Remember you will start with trips only approximately 1 out of 499ish hands.
Always play pairs with a decent kicker any 3 to a flush, and any 3 to a straight atleast to 5th street.
My personal favorite starting hand for example is 567 suited.
Always look at everyone elses hand and the general beginners rule is that if your up cards plus your hole cards can't beat the cards that you can see of your opponents, you definitely can't beat what you can't see. It sounds a bit too obvious, but you would be suprised how many times I've seen light bulbs go on in peoples heads when they ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT!


If you're new (which it doesn't sound like you are a stud newb, just someone who wants some info), but if you are new, I suggest starting heads up. You need to gain and analyze a ton of information, and getting started at the game it is much better to analyze only 1 other persons hand than it is to have to analyze 4,5 or 6 other peoples hands

[BeerWench13]

if your up cards plus your hole cards can't beat the cards that you can see of your opponents, you definitely can't beat what you can't see.

This was the first piece of advice I was ever given and it's priceless. It save me quite a bit of cash the first few times I ever played.

I am blessed with an excellent memory, so I think 7S is really up my alley (well, that's what the hubby keeps telling me), but I'm not confident about my play yet. The hubby says I have to sit at a stud table when we go to AC just to get some experience. I remember my trepidation when I first sat at a HE table in a casino and I'd been playing for a couple years at that point. I've been playing stud just as long, but not nearly as often.

[JewishPete]

if your up cards plus your hole cards can't beat the cards that you can see of your opponents, you definitely can't beat what you can't see.

This was the first piece of advice I was ever given and it's priceless. It save me quite a bit of cash the first few times I ever played.

I am blessed with an excellent memory, so I think 7S is really up my alley (well, that's what the hubby keeps telling me), but I'm not confident about my play yet. The hubby says I have to sit at a stud table when we go to AC just to get some experience. I remember my trepidation when I first sat at a HE table in a casino and I'd been playing for a couple years at that point. I've been playing stud just as long, but not nearly as often.

Sounds good. Try to always analyze and collect every piece of information you can. Every card dealt is 7S is vital to your hand, whether it is dealt to you or someone else.

BTW, you would be amazed at some of the dead money in casinos at 7S. Tons of stubborn old men who don't look at anything other than their own cards are rather popular in AC. Great section in SS on 7S too, btw.

[kainARGH]

most sites with play money offer 7cs right?

Maybe every now and again , some th-p peeps could get together and play 7cs VS one another? I would like to expand my game to get better at none hold-em poker , and 7cs is definatly appealing to me. I would be interested , anyone else?

I say play money , as the couple sites i've seen with 7cs , they usualy don't have low limits - and my online bankroll is just sitting at a measly 80$

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I must say I don't agree with Pete's advice on starting hand selection, at least not the way he states it so generally. Most of the advice is good, but there are very few "always" situations in Stud. 3rd street on Stud is MUCH more complex than pre-flop betting in Hold'em.

I'll post a new thread about it, so Pete and I can debate further.

[JewishPete]

I must say I don't agree with Pete's advice on starting hand selection, at least not the way he states it so generally. Most of the advice is good, but there are very few "always" situations in Stud. 3rd street on Stud is MUCH more complex than pre-flop betting in Hold'em.

I'll post a new thread about it, so Pete and I can debate further.

I agree, I was a bit too general when I briefly talked about starting hands. And you are correct, their are very few always or nevers in stud.
Generally though, I will play the starting scenarios I listed virtually every time I am dealt them. As we both know, this can change drastically though depending on the certain situation.

[Hurricane Ham]

Tight on 3rd street is always good. Crappy calls on 3rd lead to crappy calls on 4th, 5th...you get the idea. If I'm closing up the action, I'll play some crappier 3 straights and 3 flushes, but rarely will I go past 4th without improvement unless I'm drawing VERY live and the table is real loose and passive.

In my fair amount of experience, online stud players are absolutely awful. I've never read a stud book, and in all reality am not that great a stud player, but I tend to do fairly well just using common sense and keeping track of all the cards.

I was going to start a new thread for this, but while I'm here, since I've gotten back into stud, any tips on how to remember cards? Do you guys remember them in a particular order, then just count the suits, or remember each specific card?

Hand is dealt, you go ok 3 6 10 diamonds, J K spades, etc, or just go around the table and repeat, 3 diamonds, J spades, 6 diamonds and so on. I kind of mix these two methods, but screw up a fair amount unless I'm real focused. Any ideas?

[BeerWench13]

any tips on how to remember cards?

I usually look for those that will affect my hand/draw and put them in the memory bank first. I've been blessed with a photographic memory, so I don't have to do much more than pull up the picture in my head to remember the cards unless I'm extremely tired or really, really drunk.

[UrAteUp]

Stud is a wonderful game. I play it in casinos when I see it offered or in home games. I never played on the internet other then free-roll tournaments. Great advice by many posters so far. I for one have none to add or debate. I would recommend anyone interested in learning stud that besides SS2's chapter on stud, Slansky has an excellent book out on it. That book helped improve my stud style into a winning style and not one of playing all the way down to 7th St. with a bad hand.