shove on river, flops nutz then turn flushz

[gumbie]

musta been me then.
Please explain why you typed lol.

I was lolling at tame really, posting dead BB from the CO is only bad if ur a sucker with a winrate between teh HJ and UTG that won't make up for it.

[UrAteUp]

Mr. D I agree with you for the most part. I hear so many people saying fold the river. Why do we want to fold this river? I understand there is a good chance we are beat. We have to be right 90% of the time in order to make this profitable. Outside of that what is your reasoning for folding this hand?

basically, any semi-competent player is never bluffing here because yozman has a fish image (and is possibly a fish lol), he posts dead blinds, and everyone knows not to bluff fish (ESPECIALLY AT LOWER LIMITS), unless you are a fish(this is generally speaking).

The only scenario I can see you winning here is him value shoving a lower flush, but that doesn't make up much of his range. also players at 100NL are pretty weaktite, passive etc as far as i know so that isn't that likely, nor is a bluff

Next question. Personally I don't play this high online so I am asking someone whom based on what I read on the forum does play that level. Would someone limp an Ax on the blinds? Possible limp with 77 or 99?

For some insane reason, the way I am seeing this played by villian, I have an insane urge to call this river. This villians betting patterns just have fish written all over it to me.

Thoughts? Am I nuts or a fish myself?

[MrDarling]

you're a fish.

I said folding because I don't think we are good here 90% of the time.

Villain plays it exactly like river FH. He lead for pot his set or pair. He blocks turn 2 pairs (fearing the flush) and he over shove river nut.

Remember Hero looks really fishy here, so we can't expect him to fold any flush or any A.

If villain was bluffing, he could have gotten the same results with betting pot or even pot+half. No reason for him to risk $180 in this small pot, against someone who looks like he really like to call.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Mr. D I agree with you for the most part. I hear so many people saying fold the river. Why do we want to fold this river? I understand there is a good chance we are beat. We have to be right 90% of the time in order to make this profitable. Outside of that what is your reasoning for folding this hand?

basically, any semi-competent player is never bluffing here because yozman has a fish image (and is possibly a fish lol), he posts dead blinds, and everyone knows not to bluff fish (ESPECIALLY AT LOWER LIMITS), unless you are a fish(this is generally speaking).

The only scenario I can see you winning here is him value shoving a lower flush, but that doesn't make up much of his range. also players at 100NL are pretty weaktite, passive etc as far as i know so that isn't that likely, nor is a bluff

Next question. Personally I don't play this high online so I am asking someone whom based on what I read on the forum does play that level. Would someone limp an Ax on the blinds? Possible limp with 77 or 99?

For some insane reason, the way I am seeing this played by villian, I have an insane urge to call this river. This villians betting patterns just have fish written all over it to me.

Thoughts? Am I nuts or a fish myself?

Why do you think they can't limp with those hands? Also, basically refer to what MrD says as to why he's not bluffing here and why his line makes sense

[UrAteUp]

you're a fish.

I said folding because I don't think we are good here 90% of the time.

Villain plays it exactly like river FH. He lead for pot his set or pair. He blocks turn 2 pairs (fearing the flush) and he over shove river nut.

Remember Hero looks really fishy here, so we can't expect him to fold any flush or any A.

If villain was bluffing, he could have gotten the same results with betting pot or even pot+half. No reason for him to risk $180 in this small pot, against someone who looks like he really like to call.

Thanks D for the explaining. I was just curious.

Why do you think they can't limp with those hands? Also, basically refer to what MrD says as to why he's not bluffing here and why his line makes sense

Those hands could be limped in with and that is most likely how I might play Ax or 77. However, with hero limping I might raise to get him off the pot. 77 I will usually limp with a hope to trap.

Thank you both Gents for your insite. It is valueable info.

[Yozman]

just joined table so no reads on villain


***** Hand History for Game 7340994150 *****
$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 23:33:11 ET 2008
Table Jackpot #1418172 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: fugedabudit ( $197.52 USD )
Seat 4: luckystraw ( $282.30 USD )
Seat 5: Terry3223 ( $95 USD )
Seat 6: PayDK ( $300.61 USD )
Seat 8: UDACHA08 ( $36 USD )
Seat 10: kamakazi1969 ( $194.60 USD )
Seat 2: villain ( $196 USD )
Seat 9: MANH60 ( $200 USD )
Seat 7: hero ( $200 USD )
kamakazi1969 posts small blind [$1 USD].
villain posts big blind [$2 USD].
hero posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jh 8h ]
fugedabudit folds
reneds has joined the table.
luckystraw folds
Terry3223 folds
PayDK folds
hero checks
UDACHA08 folds
kamakazi1969 calls [$1 USD]
villain checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 9h, Ts ]
kamakazi1969 checks
villain bets [$4 USD]
hero calls [$4 USD]
kamakazi1969 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
villain bets [$6 USD]
hero calls [$6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
villain is all-In [$184 USD]
HERO ............

i am actually villain, im not that bad a player lol

i held AT as many suspected i made my boat on river and felt that donk hero had a flush. was wondering how many people would call this massive overbet as played(which is so so bad). judging by the response a fair few people call this, as mr fishy fish did. wp yoz

[miaowmiaowchowface]

raise pre dead money

[MrDarling]

yeah, not raising with ATo PF here is burning money.

As you can see, your hand was pretty face up to anyone who can hand read. So make sure you take different lines when you play better players.

[suitedaces84]

you're a fish.

I said folding because I don't think we are good here 90% of the time.

Villain plays it exactly like river FH. He lead for pot his set or pair. He blocks turn 2 pairs (fearing the flush) and he over shove river nut.

Remember Hero looks really fishy here, so we can't expect him to fold any flush or any A.

If villain was bluffing, he could have gotten the same results with betting pot or even pot+half. No reason for him to risk $180 in this small pot, against someone who looks like he really like to call.

You don't need to be good 90% of the time. You only need to be good ~42% of the time. But I don't think you're good anywhere near 42% of the time. And would fold for the reasons you stated.

[tame_deuces]

musta been me then.
Please explain why you typed lol.

I was lolling at tame really, posting dead BB from the CO is only bad if ur a sucker with a winrate between teh HJ and UTG that won't make up for it.

Thanks for that valuable lesson in poker. I'll note that no bad plays are bad if you have a winrate that makes up for them.