shove on river, flops nutz then turn flushz

[Yozman]

just joined table so no reads on villain


***** Hand History for Game 7340994150 *****
$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 23:33:11 ET 2008
Table Jackpot #1418172 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: fugedabudit ( $197.52 USD )
Seat 4: luckystraw ( $282.30 USD )
Seat 5: Terry3223 ( $95 USD )
Seat 6: PayDK ( $300.61 USD )
Seat 8: UDACHA08 ( $36 USD )
Seat 10: kamakazi1969 ( $194.60 USD )
Seat 2: villain ( $196 USD )
Seat 9: MANH60 ( $200 USD )
Seat 7: hero ( $200 USD )
kamakazi1969 posts small blind [$1 USD].
villain posts big blind [$2 USD].
hero posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jh 8h ]
fugedabudit folds
reneds has joined the table.
luckystraw folds
Terry3223 folds
PayDK folds
hero checks
UDACHA08 folds
kamakazi1969 calls [$1 USD]
villain checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 9h, Ts ]
kamakazi1969 checks
villain bets [$4 USD]
hero calls [$4 USD]
kamakazi1969 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
villain bets [$6 USD]
hero calls [$6 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
villain is all-In [$184 USD]
HERO ............

[miaowmiaowchowface]

raise preflop raise flop raise turn fold river

didn't get much right here lol

[gumbie]

raise preflop raise flop raise turn fold river

This, except against some ppl you can call this river.

[efram]

really? raise preflop?
J8h out of position?
hero posts big blind $2 USD.
Why not check and hope to hit the flop?

Is it because we have 2 limpers in front and should always come in with a raise against 2 limpers?

Please explain why checking our big blind is not preferable here.

[tame_deuces]

Don't post dead blinds.

[gumbie]

LOL

[supafrey]

really? raise preflop?
J8h out of position?
hero posts big blind $2 USD.
Why not check and hope to hit the flop?

Is it because we have 2 limpers in front and should always come in with a raise against 2 limpers?

Please explain why checking our big blind is not preferable here.

There are no limpers, just the blinds. With this kind of hand and folded to us, we really should be stealing the blinds + dead money (ours). Raisey daisey.

[mortaleclipse]

thats a pretty sic river shove.

[tame_deuces]

LOL

Was that at me? Posting dead is horrible.

[gumbie]

LOL

Was that at me? Posting dead is horrible.

I wasn't lolling at you.

[efram]

musta been me then.
Please explain why you typed lol.
Beyond the fact that I misread the HOH.
and rather than lol at someone's question, why not be helpful and answer it.

Does a flush beat 3 pair?

Thanks for the answer supa.
That is helpful information.

edit:
I have to agree that this statement is kind of funny, but you can at least quote me so we know WTF

Is it because we have 2 limpers in front and should always come in with a raise against 2 limpers?

Perhaps to lessen the humor factor I should have written:

Is it because we have the blinds in front and should often raise against the blinds (dead money, ours) given our suited connectedness?

Is that a better question for you Gummy?

[UrAteUp]

raise preflop raise flop raise turn fold river

didn't get much right here lol

You would actually fold on the river ? Your thinking? I am not trying to say your wrong I just want to know why you would fold this river.

To OP..just because villian pushes do you honestly lay down a flush here? The only hands to beat you would be A9, A7, 99, 77 ,Qx or Kx but do you honestly feel you are beat on this river?

[MrDarling]

First you did manage to mis play every street here.
1st - don't post dead blind often. Its simply burning money. Though it might be ok if you ARE decent player and can use the fish image that comes from posting dead blind.

2nd - raise this damn flop often. Sure you have the nuts+redraws. But its a limped pot and you want to build it up. If all villain have is a TP then he wont put much more money in regardless of what you do, but he might call a flop raise. Also, there are tons of scare cards that can kill your action.

3rd - pretty much same goes for turn. Though if you raise now after flatting the flop your hand is pretty much face up. But I still think you might get a call from 2 pairs/sets

Now the river is tricky AS PLAYED. You need to call 184 into a 209 pot, this means you have to be correct almost 90% of the times.
I curse my self for playing so bad and fold here. If I had any reads on villain I might make a hero call (and really, all we have here is a bluff catcher)

[UrAteUp]

First you did manage to mis play every street here.
1st - don't post dead blind often. Its simply burning money. Though it might be ok if you ARE decent player and can use the fish image that comes from posting dead blind.

2nd - raise this damn flop often. Sure you have the nuts+redraws. But its a limped pot and you want to build it up. If all villain have is a TP then he wont put much more money in regardless of what you do, but he might call a flop raise. Also, there are tons of scare cards that can kill your action.

3rd - pretty much same goes for turn. Though if you raise now after flatting the flop your hand is pretty much face up. But I still think you might get a call from 2 pairs/sets

Now the river is tricky AS PLAYED. You need to call 184 into a 209 pot, this means you have to be correct almost 90% of the times.
I curse my self for playing so bad and fold here. If I had any reads on villain I might make a hero call (and really, all we have here is a bluff catcher)

Mr. D I agree with you for the most part. I hear so many people saying fold the river. Why do we want to fold this river? I understand there is a good chance we are beat. We have to be right 90% of the time in order to make this profitable. Outside of that what is your reasoning for folding this hand?

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Mr. D I agree with you for the most part. I hear so many people saying fold the river. Why do we want to fold this river? I understand there is a good chance we are beat. We have to be right 90% of the time in order to make this profitable. Outside of that what is your reasoning for folding this hand?

basically, any semi-competent player is never bluffing here because yozman has a fish image (and is possibly a fish lol), he posts dead blinds, and everyone knows not to bluff fish (ESPECIALLY AT LOWER LIMITS), unless you are a fish(this is generally speaking).

The only scenario I can see you winning here is him value shoving a lower flush, but that doesn't make up much of his range. also players at 100NL are pretty weaktite, passive etc as far as i know so that isn't that likely, nor is a bluff