simple historyish based spot setBVB

miaowmiaowchowface · by **miaowmiaowchowface** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:57 am GMT

Seeing last hand I posted sparked some interesting points I'll try again

Villain is this guy called C T S some of u may know him, I think he's a cardrunners guy. We don't have much history but at 10/20 he's got it in preflop bad with me a few times and he plays like an absolute nutcase, very spewy. I've been told he's superduper good tho

Here is a recent hand from 25/50 which I think he should still remember during the hand of note because it's the only hand of significance we've played and its pretty recent... basically he 3bets a TONNE pre and postflop and I lay down like a little bitch most of the time. eff. stacks 5000$

H: posts small blind $25
V: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [9h Ad]
: folds
: folds
H: raises $50 to $100
V: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [2d Td 4s]
H: bets $100
V: raises $250 to $350
H: raises $550 to $900
V: calls $550
*** TURN *** [2d Td 4s] [7d]
H: checks
V: checks
*** RIVER *** [2d Td 4s 7d] [6d]
H: bets $1250
V: raises $2750 to $4000 and is all-in
H: calls $2750
*** SHOW DOWN ***
V: shows [4h Qd] (a flush, Queen high)

no idea wat he was going for here btw, some sort of thin value shove or something because he expects me to bet turn with Ad and fold Kd (not that I would here most of the time)

here's hand of interest (stacks 5000 again)

Dealt to H [2h 2c]
H: raises $50 to $100
V: calls $50
*** FLOP *** [Jc 2s 4d]
H: bets $100
V: raises $250 to $350

a lot of his range will be air here because this flop isn't terrible to bluff raise and he won't always b valueraising his shitty jacks(he prob 3bets JQ+ at least a lot of time, because i haven't 4bet him BVB much at all).

What line should we take to make him spew the most? 3bet? call then donk? call c/c c/r riv? call c/r turn?

lemme know what you guys think

kingetje · by **kingetje** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:34 pm GMT

i'd just 3bet

oh and BTW, do you think its a smart idea to play CTS HU at 5Knl? hehehehehe

miaowmiaowchowface · by **miaowmiaowchowface** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:41 pm GMT

don't you think the SB would become even more unprofitable then

Ensano · by **Ensano** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:06 pm GMT

i'd say the same line as the hand above would be your best course... he saw it as a complete bluff and is should still be thinking any pair could be good...

MrDarling · by **MrDarling** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:41 pm GMT

unless you have a lot more history I don't think you can get another sent out of him unless he has a hand strong enough that the money goes in regardless.
I'm thinking 3B really big might seems the most bluffy as this is a very dry board..

gumbie · by **gumbie** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:20 pm GMT

800-900 total

and don't think ur gonna outthink cts.

ErinJeff · by **ErinJeff** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:48 pm GMT

What's with the minraise pf in hand 1? Inducing a 3bet so you can 4bet overshove on a bluff? Metagame?

xDiamond_CutteRx · by **xDiamond_CutteRx** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:37 am GMT

gumbie wrote:800-900 total

and don't think ur gonna outthink cts.

Cole South does not think. He conquers.

Phil14312 · by **Phil14312** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:47 am GMT

Wow how about some game selection.

miaowmiaowchowface · by **miaowmiaowchowface** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:15 am GMT

ErinJeff wrote:What's with the minraise pf in hand 1? Inducing a 3bet so you can 4bet overshove on a bluff? Metagame?

wat? I don't get this =/

miaowmiaowchowface · by **miaowmiaowchowface** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:17 am GMT

Phil14312 wrote:Wow how about some game selection.

95% of 25/50 games form around fish

BTW I think it's gonna be hard for him to continue with air if i B3b so I called and donked the turn which was a blank 3... he folded.

I've got one more hand with him of interest that I'll see if i can dig up =/

gumbie · by **gumbie** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:18 pm GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:BTW I think it's gonna be hard for him to continue with air if i B3b so I called and donked the turn which was a blank 3... he folded.

Is it easier for him to continue with air when you call-donk?

How is this?

Phil14312 · by **Phil14312** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:10 pm GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:
Phil14312 wrote:Wow how about some game selection.

95% of 25/50 games form around fish

BTW I think it's gonna be hard for him to continue with air if i B3b so I called and donked the turn which was a blank 3... he folded.

I've got one more hand with him of interest that I'll see if i can dig up =/

Edit for retardness.

ErinJeff · by **ErinJeff** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:14 pm GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:
ErinJeff wrote:What's with the minraise pf in hand 1? Inducing a 3bet so you can 4bet overshove on a bluff? Metagame?

wat? I don't get this =/

Sorry, no hand 1, hand 2...
In the hand you posted I am asking why you minraised pf?

miaowmiaowchowface · by **miaowmiaowchowface** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:22 pm GMT

ErinJeff wrote:
miaowmiaowchowface wrote:
ErinJeff wrote:What's with the minraise pf in hand 1? Inducing a 3bet so you can 4bet overshove on a bluff? Metagame?

wat? I don't get this =/

Sorry, no hand 1, hand 2...
In the hand you posted I am asking why you minraised pf?

minraised in both hands... its my standard from that position vs competent player. I'm not sure if it's optimal, considering going back to 3bb, or maybe 2.5bb if i can ever figure out that betpot program. There are pros n cons for each size imo

simple historyish based spot setBVB

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