Small stakes - Quality fold or inexperience?

[jimmer]

This hand caught my eye. I appricate we are working on a lot of variables, but was wondering if we think pfiffa is a quality player for folding this hand after raising and re-raising, or a stupid one for not calling on the end with good pot odds.

(I'm assuming he had something like QQ, JJ or AQ, but thats not the point of my discussion.)

A quality player who showed good disipline or a poor one who showed inexperience?

PokerStars Game #42791604302: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/04/17 9:57:55 ET
Table 'Euterpe' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: abalduy1984 ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 2: KingzLuck ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: barbie1993 ($16.95 in chips)
Seat 4: vicenzo01 ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 5: pachli ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 6: pfiffa ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 7: jbdb3 ($10.40 in chips)
Seat 8: renpin ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Koteika ($9.75 in chips)
jbdb3: posts small blind $0.05
renpin: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jbdb3
Koteika: folds
abalduy1984: folds
KingzLuck: folds
barbie1993: folds
vicenzo01: folds
pachli: folds
pfiffa: raises $0.30 to $0.40
jbdb3: folds
renpin: raises $0.80 to $1.20
pfiffa: raises $2.80 to $4
renpin: raises $6 to $10
pfiffa: folds

[HalfSugar]

He four barrelled with air at the wrong time. Guaranteed.

[jimmer]

He four barrelled with air at the wrong time. Guaranteed.

sorry, what are you saying? thats a good fold or thats the wrong time to layit down?

[HalfSugar]

What I mean is, he most likely re-raised renpin with nothing and then when facing another raise let it go correctly. He may have had JJ for all we know but I highly doubt it at these stakes and when he four bets I think his range is very polarised.

[Ensano]

yeah you don't really this this happening a lot but you do see it enough.

because BTN is such a known steal pos 3betting from the blinds light has become a really standard play.

so then for a smart oponent (not saying this V is) you can start to develope a light 4betting range. but the thing is it has to be balanced by bluffs so that it makes it +EV to do so.

ex.. 22 OTB against a V who has a 3bet from bb of 10%

you make standard steal of 4bb they 3bet to 12bb..

now you can just fold but you can't be waiting for QQ+/ AQ+ to 3bet so you make it 27bb to go then V 5bets to 50bb. easy fold...

wouldn't really expect light 4betting at 10NL but meh..

[miaowmiaowchowface]

too advanced question for these stakes

[jimmer]

too advanced question for these stakes

which means that.........

[clarky]

I agree with HalfSugar, funny though pfiffa used a raise twice but then fold is somewhat obscure. Maybe pfiffa was a buit lost that when folding before a hand reaches the climax can also obtain a huge benefit, namely the time and a chance to study the playing styles of your opponents. As the result, this would be the perfect time to watch carefully for clues which will help you win future hands.