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Some NL200 hands.

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Some NL200 hands.

Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:30 am GMT

Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/01 - 03:22:21 (ET)
Table 'Gienah IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: NutStylin ($221 in chips)
Seat 2: ITAM1300 ($61.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Takeover1 ($203 in chips)
Seat 4: BallCup ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: Duyen2008 ($191.45 in chips)
Seat 6: H ($519.25 in chips)
Duyen2008: posts small blind $1
H: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Tc 7c]
NutStylin: folds
ITAM1300: folds
Takeover1: folds
BallCup: folds
Duyen2008: raises $4 to $6
H: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [8d Ts 5c]
Duyen2008: bets $7
H: calls $7
*** TURN *** [8d Ts 5c] [Qs]
Duyen2008: bets $7
H: raises $19 to $26
Duyen2008: calls $19
*** RIVER *** [8d Ts 5c Qs] [Ks]
Duyen2008: checks

Villain is a random fish. I raise turn because his line looks super-weak from a fish. Also can catch cheap showdown, and charge draws. For some reason I am inclined to bluff this river though- this is obviously a check right?

Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/02 - 12:38:26 (ET)
Table 'Pomona III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: HAAKKOO ($115 in chips)
Seat 2: heybude ($219.85 in chips)
Seat 3: H ($724.05 in chips)
Seat 4: wengo08 ($126.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Mckittrick19 ($379.80 in chips)
Seat 6: ==PAV== ($226.70 in chips)
H: posts small blind $1
wengo08: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Jd Qc]
Mckittrick19: folds
==PAV==: folds
HAAKKOO: folds
heybude: raises $4 to $6
H: calls $5
wengo08: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kh 9h]
H: checks
heybude: bets $12
H: calls $12
*** TURN *** [Qs Kh 9h] [Ks]
H: checks
heybude: bets $34
H: calls $34
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kh 9h Ks] [6s]
H: checks
heybude: bets $88

Is calling the 2nd barrel OK? In review, it seems unlikely that he will double barrel anything other than a K here or maybe AJhh AThh etc. If I call the turn must I call the river?

Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/02 - 01:45:28 (ET)
Table 'Vindobona V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: calb maniak ($34 in chips)
Seat 3: stualtone ($120 in chips)
Seat 4: Cray0ns ($202.80 in chips)
Seat 5: H ($460.10 in chips)
Seat 6: reece hump ($93 in chips)
calb maniak: posts small blind $1
stualtone: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Th 9h]
Cray0ns: raises $5 to $7
H: calls $7
reece hump: calls $7
calb maniak: folds
stualtone: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 2d Tc]
Cray0ns: bets $20
H: calls $20
reece hump: folds
*** TURN *** [7c 2d Tc] [6s]
Cray0ns: bets $48
H: raises $72 to $120
Cray0ns: raises $55.80 to $175.80 and is all-in
H: calls $55.80

Opponent is a solid reg. Is it ok to think I can push him off his hand by repping set/straight? + I have outs to the best hand if he calls w/overpair.
Thoughts?
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Postby MrDarling » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:24 am GMT

I pretty much dislike ll hands.
Why are you always waiting for the turn to make moves? Your bluffs becomes expensive and need to work much more often to be profitable.
If you do it occasionally against really good opponent that can make big folds its ok. But most $200NL players can't make big folds.

As for the hands, stats will help.

Hand 1 : Is villain an aggressive fish or a passive one? I don't usually protect my big blinds with marginal hands, but if villain is a big fish I'll try to play many pots with them, so I guess calling is ok.
Now if villain is normally passive I don't mind peeling one with my weak TP. He's generally not going to 2nd barrel unles he improves or has a big hand. If he's aggressive I rather raise, he'll let you know if he has a big hand or not. If he does call he'll usually check the turn unless he improves, which will allow you to check behind and decide if you want to call his river bet or not.
Against the fish you want to value town them with decent hands, not try to bluff them with marginal hands.

Hand 2 : just fold PF (if villain is very active you can consider 3B, but I much rather do it with SC or pairs so I know where I'm at post) This is a hand that's hard to play OOP.
As played, you can consider just leading the turn. He'll be hard to raise unless he has a K and might even check behind a better Q on the river (though he probably never folds it unless you fire a big river bet). And no, I don't believe you have to call river if you called turn.

Hands 3: again, just fold PF. You're opening your self to a squeeze, and if you just pick up another caller, you'd be in the worse relative position. If villain is active, you can consider 3B it, if you are on the BTn and he's tight you can consider flatting. Though you are not doing it to catch TP.
As played, I doubt you flat a set on this flop on this drawy 3 way flop. So I'd look you up pretty lite as well. So you're repping a real tight range here and hoping he is good enough to fold his over pair. I just fold the turn TBH.
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Postby Kemics » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:02 pm GMT

are you seeing a positive ROI at NL200?

In alot of the spots its either a fold/raise. check/calling you're just building a pot that i cant really see you winning without a big bluff.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:39 pm GMT

Kemics wrote:are you seeing a positive ROI at NL200?

In alot of the spots its either a fold/raise. check/calling you're just building a pot that i cant really see you winning without a big bluff.


Actually... I beat it for about 6-7bb/100, I've moved up now, these are some old hands I wanted to look at(probably a bit better nowadays :))
Last edited by miaowmiaowchowface on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:42 pm GMT, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:41 pm GMT

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Postby supafrey » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:45 am GMT

1. Seems like an easy check. You have a decent amount of value with the ten, but most of it was against the draws that just made it. Your hand is too good to bet, tbh, and getting c/r with this much value would prolly suck.

2. I usually 3-bet this if I'm going to play it. Calling several streets with qjo meh meh meh.

3. You're getting JJ+ or AT to fold here basically never with that flush draw out there. You're also getting into dangerous 3-bet territory preflop (you're inviting squeezes, like mentioned). If you're gonna be this cally on 1-3 streets and then fold/spew you're gonna get squeezed and picked apart a ton.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:16 pm GMT

Hand #1: As for this, My turn raise was based a lot on the size of his bet. I think his range is almost 100% crappy draw or crappy 10 -lengthy history. Guess I must check river behind though because of draws/potential pair/2pr hands.

Hand #2: I can see why coldcalling PF is a flaw, I have fixed that nowadays. I think that donking the turn seems like quite a good line, in retrospect the line I took looks pretty bad, I agree.

Hand #3: I'm surprised you guys don't like the coldcall PF. For a start the last 3 players are fish so they won't be squeezing, they'll be coming in with weak hands though which increases the value of our hand, doesn't it? Maybe in a very tough game 3b/fold is a better option. I definitely see the problem now in the turn raise. I can probably fold the flop here I guess then- seems he'd be unlikely to bluff this board into 2 people w/o overpair...
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Postby Kemics » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:41 pm GMT

or a start the last 3 players are fish


in nearly everyhand posted you call the villian/s a fish, do you have reads in a soft game or are you underestimating your opponents.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:55 pm GMT

Kemics wrote:
or a start the last 3 players are fish


in nearly everyhand posted you call the villian/s a fish, do you have reads in a soft game or are you underestimating your opponents.


I try to table select carefully if not megatabling. Anyone without a stack of 100bb is a fish/weaker player/pro shortstacker in general as far as I'm concerned. How many pros do you see buy in with half a stack on a regular basis?
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