Starting to be curious of UB...

[iloveholdem]

Lately, I been doing alot of betting and so on when I have so far the nutz on 4th street, all suden if I go all in or call with someone they tend to win always on river card.

Most of the time its Aces on river that kills me, and I dont think the odds of them landing aces on river is that high. Which it always seem to happen! So far I've musta lost a lot of games from river aces.

One just happened before I wrote this, that is why im wondering if anyone else is experinceing this?

I just had this happen, had J,X flopped came J,J,3,A I bet all in with 3 Jacks he calls shows A,X I'm like wooo river comes down to an Ace. I'm constantly loosing to shit like this, I'm not sure if its just ' bad luck' or what, but I dont think the odds of this stuff happening is likely?

Well let me know what you guy's think, I was appraising UB awhile ago, now I'm not too sure what's up with the River Card showdowns. I talked to my home poker buddies, they agree that it always falls on river.

Let me know what you guys think.

[Absolution]

I know what you mean, but I think it has more to do with the fact that you just play a lot more hands online, compared to a real life game. Sometimes I swear they stack it against me though. In all 3 freeroles I entered this week I was knocked out by people making crazy boats on the turn and river. Every time I play a smart, tight game and then when I finally make my move with say 3 of a kind or a big top 2 pair, someone calls and makes a boat. Yesterday was the funniest. I'm on the button and the blinds are getting up there. I call with AQo and the BB just checks so I figure he has nothing (just the two of us seeing the flop). The flop comes AQ4 I believe so I raise the pot after he makes a small bet. The guy calls. I have him pegged at Ax so I'm feeling good. The turn comes 4 and he makes another weak bet. I go all-in to try and push him out now and take this good pot. Ya, he calls. We flip our cards over and he's holding A4o. I was just stunned. I get a decent hand and call and the one limper, who probably wouldn't have called in another position, manages to make a miracle draw/flop. I still don't know how that happened. If you read my earlier thread, you'll see that it's the third time I got beat by things like this.

I know it's just the luck of the draw and all that, but when you play this tight game all three tournaments, and in all three the ONE aggressive hand you play gets outdrawn by bad odds you start to think things. I'm hoping my luck improves today. I can't keep losing to these yahoos forever can I?

[iloveholdem]

that is exactly what I'm experincing, and sometimes it will happen in MY FAVOR but lately it hasnt. Anytime I go all in and have a show down and I'm in the lead by a two pair against one I know he will end up out drawing me because river always doing it on UB its freaking crazy.

[HalfSugar]

Don't forget that u remember the bad beats so much more easily than hands that didn't sting u.....

[iloveholdem]

True... but I notice huge differnce playing online and playing in Real Life, In real life you got something like J,J your all in. Online you call because easily outbeaten.. like odds are totally differerent.

[Absolution]

It's an illusion. You play probably twice the number of hands and you get a lot more callers in general since people are more loose with their money online. I definitely agree that it seems like you are getting hosed, but believe me, you aren't (if they truly do use a good random number generator). I highly doubt a site like that would try and scam you. For one they are backed by big name players and for another they are regulated by a gaming commission in Canada. Plus, what benifit would they gain from it?

[PuckJunkieNY]

deja vu all over again
....i recall another post or two..or ten like this one :D

You remember da bad beats....
More hands are played online.....
etc....
It's all true, but maybe you playing a "smarter" game don't chase down river miricles as much or play recklessly loose, therefore don't receive them as much.
Just a thought anyway.

[JohnnyCache]

My advice: get some scratch paper and write: "Fifth Beat" "Fourth Beat" and "Flop beat" on them and start adding ticks after your losing hands . . . that's the begining of seeing if it's real or not.

[ColdBlooded]

Poker Stars is awful for that, at least in the freerolls. Though I imagine it's like that throughout the site. It's definitely not a case of selective memory, or the fact that I see way more hands while playing online. The screwed up odds on Poker Stars has helped me as often as it has hurt me, but it's still annoying.
UB has the bad beats, but it seems pretty proportionate as to how often it can happen.

[iloveholdem]

I think its crazy how river cards changes the whole game so much. Out of every 100 hands I would say everyone gets effected by river 50% of the time. I even curse when I get it in my favor, I truely dont like taking people out from river cards.

[DomTrix]

To quote another cliche (and it really is true):

"It's a seven card game"

River beats at no Limit can be very frustrating. To learn to deal with them, play a lot of Limit where you are rivered the whole time, you will soon toughen up to it and quit whining!

Another thing, poker is not just about odds (cliche 2). To be a constant winner you need to know you're opponents. If you don't want the risk of being rivered, don't put a player all-in when you have trips and you think he might call with a draw. Make a good bet and wait for the river, or go all-in and don' get upset when they make it.

But yeah, it is very annoying when it happens the whole time

[iloveholdem]

What I'm saying DomTrix is that it is very different from real life play. I honestly never loose to river cards in a month as I do in a day with UB. I love UB i'm not trying to give them a bad name, I'm just extremely worried that something like this isnt randomly generated, I dont know, I wish I knew more about the card system, hopefully someone can correct me.

[Absolution]

On this topic, I just played a funny SNG. This one guy just couldn't lose. Every flop and river connected him. The last hand I had K10o. I raised a good amount (it was down to 4 people) and he called. The flop came 5 10 10 rainbow. I checked and so did he. Turn/river were rags. I went all in after the river and he immediately called. He was holding pocket 5s and there goes my Ultimate points to a no folder. Just my luck. I was drawing dead and he slow played me, but there was not much I could do to get away from that one anyway. He still had no business calling a big raise from early position with pocket 5s. Didn't much matter really because this guy was connecting flushes, straights and pairs on the river every hand he was in. This has been a bad day for me.

[thecadman]

Still in play money until I fully understand the online odds and fully trust the system.

Was at a 100/200 table with 4 players. One guy on my right and the others to the left. I had just started the table and had the max buy-in of 40000. The one guy on the right beat me 5 hands in a row and drained the entire 40000. How did he do this? I had 3 T's with J kicker he had 3 T's with K kicker. If I had straight to 10 he had straight to J. Two pair 8's 4's he had 9's 4's. I had Q flush he had A flush. The final hand.. fullhouse I had K's over 6's he had K's over 8's.

Yeah.. I really can't wait to try real money online! Not that I don't have my fair share of wins, but something like this can drain you quick. Who's going to fold these hands? And for this to happen 5 times in a row??? Grant it I play many many hours and see thousands of hands, but even at that what are the odds?

I've been taking the advice on here and excepting bad beats as part of poker and have worked much better at preventing them, but then something like this happens and you fall back to square one.

[iloveholdem]

I'm just saying Online Play and Real play is totally different, you have to play a lot differernt, its honestly like a whole new game.