the Donkbet topic

[kingetje]

i have recently been experimenting alot with..... the donkbet. (donkbet: to lead out into the player who had the initiative in the hand)

i have found it seems alot of people do not know what to do when faced with one... some people they just fold outright.... others go insane on your ass and spaz their buyin into the pot with nothing..


and its alotta fun!


lets make this the official donkbet views/strategy topic.


when do you donkbet?

why do you donkbet?

against whom do you donkbet?


i find myself doing it alot on the turn when say i check-called villain on the flop with a one pair type hand.. and the turn improves me either by adding some kind of flush draw to my pair.. or say if i pair my kicker or make trips...



post some hands too...

[gumbie]

If you are coldcalling LP raises out of the blinds you should be donking out a decent amount of the time.

If you are limp-calling or raise-calling 3 bets OOP then stop it.

[gumbie]

i find myself doing it alot on the turn when say i check-called villain on the flop with a one pair type hand.. and the turn improves me either by adding some kind of flush draw to my pair.. or say if i pair my kicker or make trips...

So you try harder to get your opponent to fold when your hand gets better?

weirdo.

[kingetje]

If you are coldcalling LP raises out of the blinds you should be donking out a decent amount of the time.

If you are limp-calling or raise-calling 3 bets OOP then stop it.

dont worry sir, i NEVER limp-call



i also ALMOST never call raises from the blinds out of position... through my time of playing i have found these things to be huge leaks


note, my examples i gave where i did this i was playing HU

So you try harder to get your opponent to fold when your hand gets better?

weirdo.

who says im trying to get them to fold? its not like im betting twice the pot or shoving in or anything...

the reason im doing this is:

-it sucks when you turn a strong hand and it goes check-check, which is the way it goes SO SO SO SO many times

-it adds a crapload of deception to your now strong hand as people dont figure you'd bet right out if you turned something big.. they tend to put you on air so they raise you with crap. it confuses them etc. and were building a pot

[tame_deuces]

In my regular's game, I got 3 players I donkbet a lot on

Aggrotard - Will raise any donkbet. So I donkbet for value and to shove on semi-bluffs.

Foldsalot - Self-explanatory.

Shovesalot - I think he just counts folds vs calls or something on his shoves, and not money. Whatever keeps him happy.

[Garoen]

If I've raised PF I'll almost always fire a cbet into the pot even if I missed the flop. It takes the pot down more often then I have to fold to a raise.

i find myself doing it alot on the turn when say i check-called villain on the flop with a one pair type hand.. and the turn improves me either by adding some kind of flush draw to my pair.. or say if i pair my kicker or make trips...



post some hands too...

If I pair my kicker, or hit trips I think you can no longer call it a donk bet : p

[Jernej Zorec]

it doesnt matter what u hit,
if u just call pf, and then bet into the preflop raiser its a donk bet

and i like donk betting on flushed boards and with sets, works nice on my nl25 tables

[supafrey]

If I've raised PF I'll almost always fire a cbet into the pot even if I missed the flop. It takes the pot down more often then I have to fold to a raise.

i find myself doing it alot on the turn when say i check-called villain on the flop with a one pair type hand.. and the turn improves me either by adding some kind of flush draw to my pair.. or say if i pair my kicker or make trips...



post some hands too...

If I pair my kicker, or hit trips I think you can no longer call it a donk bet : p

Donkbet refers to a very specific play in poker, not a debatable level of quality assigned to a particular bet. Typically a donkbet refers to calling on an earlier street, out of position, but betting out immediately on the subsequent street.

[kompis]

i like donkbetting all in preflop

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

i like donkbetting all in preflop

This.

Kompis and I are Scandis in disguise.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

In all seriousness, though, I like donkbetting when I have a small pair and make a set on the flop, or some other very strong hand (a straight, or a non-nut flush). I pretty much never slowplay these types of hands except against extremely aggressive opponents who also call too often.

My basic theory is this: I want to win a big pot with a big hand. The only way to do that is to start the betting early. If he has nothing, I'm not going to win much anyway, so I proceed on the assumption that he has something he could potentially become pot committed with later in the hand.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

I was gonna make a post like this myself, because I never actually donkbet flop HU (Turn yes).

But when's the right time to do it heads up? I can't see the merit- A c/r always gets ur profit to be bigger.

Lets say you call w/KQ OOB to a raise 4th from the button.
board is 67 9 .
Rather than donkbetting, I usually c/r in this spot. You usually don't get flatcalled by an overpair, you might by a made hand. Some opponents will fold overpairs here too, If they see the board as part of your flatcall and then c/r range.

What about dry boards (assuming flatcall OOB situations)?

People always Cbet dry boards, and if you C/r a dry board you polarize your range to what, a monster or a bluff. So a stronger looking line for a bluff is c/c Db3b turn (although you might need to be deepish and have an opponent who can make big folds), which is a line people take with monsters anyway. Either way, this is more profitable than a Dbet isn't it?
Plus if you Donkbet once you should follow up with a 2nd barrel always- makes it cheaper for your opponents who can just flatcall to the river.

just some thoughts I have, anyway. I don't see much merit in Dbetting where you were 3bet and just coldcalled over 4betting. People Cbet way too much in these spots anyway don't you think? (although I'd like to here some thoughts on the opposing argument, I think adding something new to your arsenal is always a good thing vs regs).