Theory-ish preflop

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Miaow, do you actually NEVER fold in this situation? Looks you don't even consider it, lol! Minraise doesn't make sense to me, they can both call with any 2 and make you committed if even just one of them calls the c-bet. Maybe you see them re-pushing very often because you raise always.

how is a cbet committing?

[mortaleclipse]

I notice that my preflop raises in cash keep getting larger, and that my MTT raises keep getting smaller, and it seems to be working lately.

After watching Cole South's new video on Card runners it kinda pertains to this. He advised watching limp callers and see how much they will call preflop. Example if he limp calls in 1/2, 7 dollars try next time making it 9 then 12, and so forth. If players are limp calling and playing horrible post flop it can make them bleed money.

ppl will see this tho and its exploitable to an attentive opponent

Im pretty sure he was directing towards someone on a thinking level to use this on. When it was being discussed it was directed to a oppenent who limped called alot and folded the flop. We have all seen the oppenents, very fishy and just play their hands pretty much face up.

[odlozilik]

Miaow, do you actually NEVER fold in this situation? Looks you don't even consider it, lol! Minraise doesn't make sense to me, they can both call with any 2 and make you committed if even just one of them calls the c-bet. Maybe you see them re-pushing very often because you raise always.

how is a cbet committing?

Let's say you raise 2BB and get called by both blinds, the pot is 6BB. If you c-bet, let's say, 4BB and get 1 caller, the pot is 14 BB, and the shortstack's remaining stack is 14 too, if he started the hand with 20BB. What do you do now, if you raised with the complete crap and missed the flop? You can hardly push villain off even if you put him all in, because he is committed.
Of course, you might get committed as well if you raise more, but you have the more realistic chance to take it down pf.

But that's my way of thinking based on my experience on Absolute, where the most of shortstacks are calling station donks. I have to raise 4BB+ to have some "hope" to make them fold or to get just 1 caller.
I see now it's quite different on FullTilt, much easier to steal the blinds there.

[kingetje]

my standard open is 3.5BB these days, so $14 at 2/4. i think shortstackers are so bad that you cant count on them folding if you raise the minimum.. they'll call with any two

solid, aggro shortstackers

does not compute. but for the sake of argument, if they only shove or fold, 2.5xBB is probably useful.

Really? Maybe shortstackers on your site are teh suck but some of the ones on stars are decent. I think opens should be changed according to certain things now, and I'm trying to implement that.

If two shortstacks are in the blind with varying sizes for instance I think we can alter our raise size. If they have 23bb I think it would be better to raise to maybe 2.5bb to reduce their ability to see the flop profitably. Being OOP really sucks for them anyway though, and they aren't fully able to 3bet bluff. But what % of hands we can't call the shove with should we raise is what I want to determine

yea. i dont play on stars but i really have never, ever, ever in my life came across a shortstacker who knew what the f*ck he was doing... not at my stakes so far anyway...