Thoughts?

[Skribbles]

$2/4 Stud on Party. No reads, just got to the table. Random player has no effect on hand...

Hero: $100~
Villian: $150~

Dealt to Hero Qc 8c 4c
Villian shows 8h

4 Players limp to 4th
***3 to a flush and last to act so I take 4th street***

Hero Qc 8c 4c 2c
Villian shows 8h Js

Villian bets, Random calls, Hero Calls, Random raises, All call.

5th
Hero Qc 8c 4c 2c Ks
Villian shows 8h Js 8d

Villian bets, Hero and Random call


6th
Hero Qc 8c 4c 2c Ks 7s
Villian shows 8h Js 8d 2s

Villian bets, Hero calls, random folds.

7th

Hero Qc 8c 4c 2c Ks 7s Ac
Villian shows 8h Js 8d 2s

Villian bets, Hero ???

Got my flush but I'm worried about the boat. Thoughts on how I played it?

[Sean_in_NJ]

With three clubs in the hole, I think I raise here. Your hand is disguised pretty well and he can't implicitly give you credit for a flush, so he could very well be on trip 8's or a measly two pair. I might be leaking bets here, but I think this is one where you can get called by a lot worse hands.

Question, though. Why not reraise 4th once two bets have been called all the way to you? Were there a lot of dead clubs? I'm not much of a stud player so this is a genuine question, not a criticism.

[TheSalche]

looks fine to me, id raise and call if he 3-bets, with one of the remaining two 8s in the hole, you can be pretty sure he doesn't have the boat

id say villain may have had (910)8, (Jx)8, could have trip 8s or could have the boat ... id really say the boat is the least likely

gotta raise for value here

[Skribbles]

Question, though. Why not reraise 4th once two bets have been called all the way to you? Were there a lot of dead clubs? I'm not much of a stud player so this is a genuine question, not a criticism.

Good question. With 2 others showing aggresion I figured that I'd be able to sit back and wait till I hit it instead of taking control. There was only 1 dead club if I remember correct so I was confident that I would hit it.

I usually like to wait till 5th to start raising. 2 bets on 5th = a cap on 4th. Once I didn't hit on 5th and the villian bet out again with 8's showing I figured him for something solid, hence my calls.

[Skribbles]

looks fine to me, id raise and call if he 3-bets, with one of the remaining two 8s in the hole, you can be pretty sure he doesn't have the boat

id say villain may have had (910)8, (Jx)8, could have trip 8s or could have the boat ... id really say the boat is the least likely

gotta raise for value here

I guess I gotta play some more stud and get out of my current Omaha mentallity where you need the solid nuts to be (re)raising.

I figured that when he bet out on 4th that he just made a pair of Jacks, possibly Jacks up. Pairing his door card on 5th and him leading again should normally be a sign of strength... correct?

[TheSalche]

I figured that when he bet out on 4th that he just made a pair of Jacks, possibly Jacks up. Pairing his door card on 5th and him leading again should normally be a sign of strength... correct?

yeah, id say here its more likely that its jacks up, and considering what your board looks like, id be pretty confident in his seat as long as i dont see another club

worst case scenario for him that he could be thinking you have is a 4 flush with a pair of kings, so betting out here makes sense (doesn't want to give you a free card)

edit: in general, fear a man who pairs his door card, especially if they raise 3rd

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I think raising is pretty clear here under most theories of Stud, especially since you hold one of the two remaining eights. If he raises, I just call and accept my fate. But there's too much chance you have a the best hand not to raise with a flush. There are very few hand combinations to make a full house that make much sense here. If he had JJ in the hole, would he not have raised on 3rd? Would he play a smaller pair like 2's? I'd say it's a lot more likely he has two small pair, or possibly, a set of 8's.

[UrAteUp]

Raise the pot and if he comes over the top then reraise it because you have the nut hand. I would for sure have to put him on 2 pair or a set at most. This is coming from my limited stud play online but a good amount of stud play live.

[snoogins47]

Raise the pot and if he comes over the top then reraise it because you have the nut hand. I would for sure have to put him on 2 pair or a set at most. This is coming from my limited stud play online but a good amount of stud play live.

Despite the fact that he probably tends to not have a boat here given the action, I think that may go out the window if he 3-bets the river. You've got an 8. He's probably not 3-betting the river with two pair too often. That leaves a lot of boats, and not a whole ton of naked trips possibilities, especially given the fact that while he should be 3-betting a boat every time here, he's not ALWAYS going to 3-bet with naked trips. I think this is a pretty clear raise-call.