Top 2 pairs facing 4 bet.

[odlozilik]

Stage #1026407892: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2008-07-12 17:29:25 ET

Table: MARYLAND ST (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer

Seat 1 - EDONNEW ($90.29 in chips)
Seat 2 - GDNISH ($26.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - ODLOZILIK ($100 in chips)
Seat 4 - IMAMANIAC ($100 in chips)
Seat 5 - DONGJIN115 ($18.30 in chips)
Seat 7 - MASHTER ($81.15 in chips)
Seat 8 - JMARSH911 ($13 in chips)
Seat 9 - NYMARI ($6.19 in chips)
GDNISH - Posts small blind $0.25
ODLOZILIK - Posts big blind $0.50

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [Qs 8h]

IMAMANIAC - Folds
DONGJIN115 - Folds
MASHTER - Folds
JMARSH911 - Folds
NYMARI - Calls $0.50
EDONNEW - Calls $0.50
GDNISH - Calls $0.25
ODLOZILIK - Checks

*** FLOP *** [8c Qc 2d]

GDNISH - Checks
ODLOZILIK - Bets $1
NYMARI - Folds
EDONNEW - Raises $2 to $2
GDNISH - Folds
ODLOZILIK - Raises $5 to $6
EDONNEW - Raises $18 to $20
ODLOZILIK - ??

Should the fold be considered? Is it the set often enough to fold this?

[Garoen]

unless i had lots of hands w/ the guy and knew he would stack off w/ tp i strongly consider folding

[miaowmiaowchowface]

this is actually really tricky. I might call and pray for an 8 or Q and if he bets big give up after that

[odlozilik]

this is actually really tricky. I might call and pray for an 8 or Q and if he bets big give up after that

Wow, I think it's for the first time I see you to suggest to fold! That must really be that then.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

this is actually really tricky. I might call and pray for an 8 or Q and if he bets big give up after that

Wow, I think it's for the first time I see you to suggest to fold! That must really be that then.

im pretty nitty

[Jauron]

This is a hard fold for me without any information and for ~100BB. Maybe it's a leak but after seeing flop with that hand I don't know how we fold here.

[Yozman]

what range does villain have

AQ, KQ, 22, 88

[golfey]

A 2 of clubs?

id call here and hope for a full house

cant see him raising with a set on the flop im thinking he would only raise this on the turn

[kingetje]

i dont like it but i probably stack off here





just yesterday i raised the button w KTs. the BB is a TAGish reg who calls. his range here is pretty much solely pocket pairs, and broadway cards

flop came KT4 with 2 spades. i Cbet, he checkraises me. this pretty much narrows his hand to sets cause a competent reg is not gonna checkraise w KQ or KJ or even AK there... and theres no way he has KT. so the only possibility is pretty much 44 or maybe QsJs. so i 3bet the flop, he calls and donks all in on the blank turn... of course it was 44.

moral of the story: you cant fold top two even if youre pretty damn sure youre beat

[odlozilik]

I might call and pray for an 8 or Q.

Well, the push is the best way to pray...

ODLOZILIK - All-In(Raise) $93.50 to $99.50
EDONNEW - All-In $69.79
ODLOZILIK - returned ($9.71) : not called

*** TURN *** [8c Qc 2d] [8d]

*** RIVER *** [8c Qc 2d 8d] [3s]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

EDONNEW - Shows [2s 2c] (Full house, twos full of eights)

ODLOZILIK - Shows [Qs 8h] (Full house, eights full of queens)

ODLOZILIK Collects $178.08 from main pot

[Yozman]

hehehe

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Well, I wish I hadn't seen the results, but quite honestly I was going to say fold. Unless he is a complete retard, he has a set here like 110% of the time.