Top pair 2nd nut flush draw facing push

[odlozilik]

Stage #1218788344: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-01-22 11:26:35 (ET)

Table: GABRIEL DR (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer

Seat 4 - POKERBRATKU ($53.95 in chips)
Seat 1 - IDNTBLUFF888 ($66.15 in chips)
Seat 2 - ODLOZILIK ($101.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - GUFFEN81 ($49.25 in chips)

IDNTBLUFF888 - Posts small blind $0.25
ODLOZILIK - Posts big blind $0.50

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [Kd Jc]

GUFFEN81 - Raises $2 to $2
POKERBRATKU - Folds
IDNTBLUFF888 - Folds
ODLOZILIK - Calls $1.50

*** FLOP *** [3d 4d Jd]

ODLOZILIK - Checks
GUFFEN81 - Bets $2
ODLOZILIK - Raises $10.25 to $10.25
GUFFEN81 - All-In(Raise) $45.25 to $47.25
ODLOZILIK - ??

[buckeyes77]

This one is tough - AJ/KJ/QJ all make sense but he could also have the nut-flush draw (don't think he bet enough on the flop to be representing pocket J's). You have a solid hand: top-pair with pretty good kicker along with the 2nd-nuts flush draw, but you could also be drawing dead here if he holds the A:diamond:. This one is a toss-up but I don't know if I could lay this down as much as I'd want to.

This is exactly why hands like KJ can get you into so much trouble when you're OOP but I can also understand calling pre-flop with this hand in a 4-way table.

[Ensano]

depends on villian but...

i'd say fold... at least villian has FD...

so at best you're a coinflip... find a better spot..

[Jauron]

I think the turn bet is too big, you get the same results with $7-$8.

/Shrug, this could be overpair but I think our flush draw is good. The money makes this interesting. If I knew for sure it was a flip I'd have to call.

[odlozilik]

I think the turn bet is too big, you get the same results with $7-$8.

I didn't bet on the turn, we were all in already.
I simply raised the pot, I was satisfied to take it down right there.

[MrDarling]

fold PF. c/c flop. there are almost not bad cards to your hand and you're unlikely to get value from worse.
As played call.

As played, if we think he'll push with the nuts here then you just don't get the correct odds to call. However, if his turn push suggest he might have lower flushes then you have to call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,570 games 0.005 secs 8,514,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 4d 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.572% 35.46% 00.11% 15095 48.00 { KdJs }
Hand 1: 64.428% 64.32% 00.11% 27379 48.00 { QQ+, 44-33, AJs, AdTd, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AJo }

[odlozilik]

fold PF. c/c flop. there are almost not bad cards to your hand and you're unlikely to get value from worse.
As played call.

As played, if we think he'll push with the nuts here then you just don't get the correct odds to call. However, if his turn push suggest he might have lower flushes then you have to call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,570 games 0.005 secs 8,514,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 4d 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.572% 35.46% 00.11% 15095 48.00 { KdJs }
Hand 1: 64.428% 64.32% 00.11% 27379 48.00 { QQ+, 44-33, AJs, AdTd, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AJo }

Well, yes, there are not many bad cards to come (maybe just A and Q), but if another diamond comes, I am not likely getting more value.
I think these pokerstove results aren't too objective, your range is quite tight and made flushes represent too much % of the range (and, of course, bluffs aren't included), so I think I have about 50% to win here.

[MrDarling]

...but if another diamond comes, I am not likely getting more value.

And what hands exactly are you hoping to get value from?

[odlozilik]

...but if another diamond comes, I am not likely getting more value.

And what hands exactly are you hoping to get value from?

QJ, JT, 55-TT, and even Ax

[odlozilik]

So, I called, obviously...

*** FLOP *** [3d 4d Jd]

ODLOZILIK - Checks
GUFFEN81 - Bets $2
ODLOZILIK - Raises $10.25 to $10.25
GUFFEN81 - All-In(Raise) $45.25 to $47.25
ODLOZILIK - Calls $37

*** TURN *** [3d 4d Jd] [3c]

*** RIVER *** [3d 4d Jd 3c] [2d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

ODLOZILIK - Shows [Kd Jc] (Flush, king high)

GUFFEN81 - Shows [Qs Jh] (Two Pair, jacks and threes)

ODLOZILIK Collects $96.25 from main pot

Villain was quite surprised about my call and demanded explaination.