Top Pair 60 BB situation

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Live $1/$3 game, hero has $180 to start hand, villain in question covers slightly.

Hero opens for $12 in MP with [As Ks]. Button calls, SB calls, BB (villain) calls.

Pot after rake: $44

Flop [Ac Ts 8d]

Checked to hero, who bets $24. Button and SB fold, villain calls.

Pot: $92.

Turn [4c]

Villain checks, hero bets $40, villain calls.

Pot: $172.

River [6c]

Villain pushes all-in for $104 (effective stack). Hero calls.

I think my bet size on the turn was bad. If I bet $55-$60, I set myself up for a river shove much better I think, and I cut down pot odds significantly. To answer a few questions preemptively, yes I was planning to call if raised on the turn, and my plan for the river was to check if villain checked on most non-A or K rivers.

Comments?

[crack]

What do you mean a $60 bet would set you up for a river shove? You mean a shove from him you would be able to call? Because you said you are checking behind on the river.

I guess it's possible that he had some sort of 79cc or j9cc draw. He could tho be trying to play the board and trying to get you off the A. I'm a fish in this spot and unless he was a tighty or I had some kind of read I prolly just stack off.

[odlozilik]

I don't play live, but both flop and turn bets seem to be too small.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

ew. im prolly not folding this can be a wide variety of hands from retarded sets to weird aces to busted gutshots

[Gunslinger]

I don't know if you've read Professional NLHE, but your SPR on the flop is under 4 (this is pretty good for TPTK), and I would be looking to get the money in on this flop against most villains, unless he were super tight. I think you pretty much answered your own question, you needed to make the turn bet bigger. ANY decent bet on the turn (including the one you made) should commit you to the pot, and I'm glad you were planning on calling a raise.

I also think you should have planned on shoving most rivers for value, too. Look at the way you played it. You made the turn bet a little small, which might have made it a little harder to get the rest in on the river (although $104 into $172 isn't a stretch). You still called on the river when the backdoor flush came in. Surely if you thought you were ahead enough times here, then if a blank had hit the river and the villain had checked, you would be ahead then as well? Go to valuetown against loose live players who call with a much wider range.

[Ciso_B]

I have no dispute with the way u played the hand DC, altho fwiw, most people expect a call in this spot , so probably aren't shoving weaker than AK on river.

I do have a few queries, 1- with pot size at $92 , and your stack in the $140 , region, to shove the turn, (since you would call neway if reshoved on turn), might not be so bad right? I mean, if you play as you did, and bet $35-$50 on turn I personally think you have to be willing to fold to certain rivers if tapped, and the 6 being one of them.

I guess what im tryin to get at is, you can't have it both ways.... if you play it as you did i.e. probing bets, I think you have to be prepared to fold on river. OR you can take the alternative route and bet huge on turn which I personally think mayaswell be all in since its only like 1.5x of the pot size neway. Not a sickly big bet at this stage of the hand by any means.


Looking at it right now, I think there are times where I'd be stubborn (mostly online) and make the call here. But in live, if im focused, I think this is a pretty clear fold. My reasons being that, after you've bet 3 streets up till now, your opponents perception of your hand is about what it is , a strong ace, that is committed to the pot. Hence, to shove the river is 1 of 2things

1- He gives u alot of credit and beleive you ll fold (imo unlikely , give the action in this hand)

2- he's expecting a call, and wants one cos he backed into some weird flush or aces up.


Now's where you post that he had Q-J os, but you still disliked your turn bet, despite the great result.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

btw is villain old or young, i think against more older players its bad (nto all the time)

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I called, villain showed one 8 and mucked when I turned up my hand.

Now's where you post that he had Q-J os, but you still disliked your turn bet, despite the great result.

I am learning not to be results-oriented. I knew I'd have to review the hand because I felt like the river put me in an awkward spot.