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Postby Garoen » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:09 pm GMT

PokerStars Game #19125327665: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/07/26 - 18:59:10 (ET)
Table 'Ruchbah III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Mackey10 ($9.10 in chips)
Seat 3: KaneOhara ($6.50 in chips)
Seat 4: DreamKai ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 5: CrypticTruth ($15.70 in chips)
Seat 6: 931243732 ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 7: CJA777 ($4.40 in chips)
Seat 8: playinTW ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($18.45 in chips)
CJA777: posts small blind $0.05
playinTW: posts big blind $0.10
rehabeam: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Jc Kc]
Hero: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Mackey10: folds
KaneOhara: folds
DreamKai: folds
CrypticTruth: folds
931243732: calls $0.40
CJA777: calls $0.35
playinTW: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Kh Jh]
CJA777: checks
Hero: bets $0.70
931243732: calls $0.70
CJA777: folds
*** TURN *** [6h Kh Jh] [8d]
Hero: bets $2
931243732: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [6h Kh Jh 8d] [2s]
Hero: ?

Villain is new to the table. I had a really hard time with this one, feels like i'm either way ahead AK/AJ/KQ/QJ/KT or way behind 66/KK/JJ/flopped flush.
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Postby Kemics » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:40 pm GMT

It plays like either A :heart: x or maybe AQ with a heart and the gutshot. But i would imagine a set is very unlikely as they would probably be raising to shut down the flushes.

Definatly want to bet the river, i think a thin value bet is best. I know theory says we should check here because we'e only getting called by a hand that beats us but i think we can get a little value from a fish with QK, AJ etc I dont think we can really check because it might look like we have a busted draw and would encourage them to take a shot at the pot and i dont really want to have to make any big calls because its just as likely the nuts in this spot.

Im quite drunk so ill re-think in the morning :)
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:49 pm GMT

Bet more on the flop.

As played either a bet or check is fine here, depends whether u think he'll fire a bluff and how much of the time he has something without SD value. You can safely bet/fold the river though too.
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Postby Jauron » Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:00 am GMT

I'd check/call river.
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:05 am GMT

Jauron wrote:I'd check/call river.

That induces a bluff pretty effectively and prevents us from getting raised. I think this is probably our best option here.

I don't think we're missing a lot of value by not betting, especially since we're never getting called by Ace high with the [Ah], but we might induce a bluff from that hand.

I dont think we can really check because it might look like we have a busted draw and would encourage them to take a shot at the pot and i dont really want to have to make any big calls

So your plan is to bet and fold to a raise? I really don't like the idea of that, given that we stand to lose money anyway by check/calling a better hand, and this gives him a great opportunity to bluff us if we was waiting for a non-heart.

Bet = get called by a few weaker hands, always get called/raised by a better hand, and occasionally get bluffed.

Check = induce some weak hands to bluff, saves us from getting raised by a flush or set.
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Postby Jernej Zorec » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:21 am GMT

fold pf imo

as played river is kinda easy check call unless vilian is a passive c*nt
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Postby kingetje » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:53 am GMT

bet/fold or check/call are both fine i say.. i still think theres value in a bet and i wouldnt really worry about getting bluffraised on the river or anything... its just too uncommon
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:02 am GMT

kingetje wrote:bet/fold or check/call are both fine i say.. i still think theres value in a bet and i wouldnt really worry about getting bluffraised on the river or anything... its just too uncommon

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Postby Garoen » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:21 pm GMT

Jernej Zorec wrote:fold pf imo

as played river is kinda easy check call unless vilian is a passive c*nt


apparently you dont play much 10NL.
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Postby Jernej Zorec » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:44 pm GMT

Garoen wrote:
Jernej Zorec wrote:fold pf imo

as played river is kinda easy check call unless vilian is a passive c*nt


apparently you dont play much 10NL.

no matter what stakes i just wouldnt play kjs from utg in full ring game
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Postby odlozilik » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:45 pm GMT

Now I see we still didn't consider villain's stack size/pot ratio: the pot is about 6$, villain has 7$ remaining.
I would "normally" prefere check/call, but now we can't be raised much, so the fold to re-raise is out of question. Now even the push can be considered (as well as check/call still; we might save a few bucks if we are beat and villain value bets).
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