Tough spot?

[Nimradel]

Table was generally loose/passive preflop.
reno111 was a recent arrival at the table and had been quiet - no reads.
coldbeer plz had been loose with preflop calls but frequently aggressive postflop.

I found myself unsure how to play this situation so could definitely use some advice.

Does anyone push preflop after the flat call?
Thoughts on the postflop check?

PokerStars Game #16690483464: Tournament #84541871, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/04/13 - 01:40:18 (ET)
Table '84541871 15' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: kjc all in (9500 in chips)
Seat 3: baldwinjason (3100 in chips)
Seat 4: Blackthorne2 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (5525 in chips)
Seat 6: reno111 (1790 in chips)
Seat 7: redpel (1715 in chips)
Seat 8: coldbeer plz (6680 in chips)
Seat 9: lou1420 (2292 in chips)
kjc all in: posts small blind 50
baldwinjason: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qs Qd]
Blackthorne2: folds
Hero: raises 200 to 300
reno111: raises 1490 to 1790 and is all-in
redpel: folds
coldbeer plz: calls 1790
lou1420: folds
kjc all in: folds
baldwinjason: folds
Hero: calls 1490
*** FLOP *** [Jc Kh Th]
Hero: checks
coldbeer plz: bets 1000
Hero: ?

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I absolutely and 100% push preflop after the action is back to me. Anything else is asking for trouble, as you found out.

As played, unless he's an idiot big enough to be a dry side pot without AT LEAST a King, you are probably not leading. However, the pot is like 6500 and you have to call 1000, so assuming he doesn't already have the nut straight, you are getting somewhat attractive pot odds to call.

I might actually suggest pushing here, as it might be your best chance to win, and might even get this guy off a King and let you go heads up with a pair + straight draw that is likely best. However, given it's a $4 donk-and-go, it's doubtful he will throw away a King here.

This is such a gross situation to be in against a guy who probably will not fold a King. It's really gross because I can make a case for folding, calling, or pushing, but I think calling is by far your worst option.

[ErinJeff]

This sucks to have a 0 side pot. I agree with the preflop push, but as played, cbet this flop and make it enough to get the rest of your stack in if you get raised. Villain is unlikely to let go of even a weak K, but he could also be here with QJ, a big flush and inside st8 draw Ahxh, AhTo or something else random. Lead this flop and mentally commit to getting it allin.

[Nimradel]

Thanks for the advice, I will push this preflop in future. My thinking was that by calling I'd still be able to get away from an ugly flop with some vestige of a stack. As it turned out, I found this flop, against this opponent, a bit too tempting.

Although I didn't hate this flop, I didn't c-bet because:
- I felt a decent c-bet would have committed me
- with the oesd I wanted to see another card
- I often see pots checked down when one or more players is all-in
Of course, when he bet I immediately regretted not c-betting, not that it would have mattered in this instance...

PokerStars Game #16690483464: Tournament #84541871, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/04/13 - 01:40:18 (ET)
Table '84541871 15' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: kjc all in (9500 in chips)
Seat 3: baldwinjason (3100 in chips)
Seat 4: Blackthorne2 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (5525 in chips)
Seat 6: reno111 (1790 in chips)
Seat 7: redpel (1715 in chips)
Seat 8: coldbeer plz (6680 in chips)
Seat 9: lou1420 (2292 in chips)
kjc all in: posts small blind 50
baldwinjason: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qs Qd]
Blackthorne2: folds
Hero: raises 200 to 300
reno111: raises 1490 to 1790 and is all-in
redpel: folds
coldbeer plz: calls 1790
lou1420: folds
kjc all in: folds
baldwinjason: folds
Hero: calls 1490
*** FLOP *** [Jc Kh Th]
Hero: checks
coldbeer plz: bets 1000
Hero: raises 2735 to 3735 and is all-in
coldbeer plz: calls 2735
*** TURN *** [Jc Kh Th] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Kh Th Qh] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qs Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Tens)
coldbeer plz: shows [Kd Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
coldbeer plz collected 7470 from side pot
reno111: shows [Ah Ad] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
coldbeer plz collected 5520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12990 Main pot 5520. Side pot 7470. | Rake 0
Board [Jc Kh Th Qh Tc]
Seat 2: kjc all in (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: baldwinjason (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Blackthorne2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero showed [Qs Qd] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Tens
Seat 6: reno111 showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: redpel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: coldbeer plz showed [Kd Kc] and won (12990) with a full house, Kings full of Tens
Seat 9: lou1420 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[ErinJeff]

Ouch.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

You are supposed to lose there. Period.