tournament , top 2 pair...

[Ciso_B]

AJs, I flat in position, its a small riase, cud 3 bet pf, but It plays well multiway anyway and its a dangerous flop so i flat. Villain is a mtt reg, he probably isnt betting 4 way with air, so most likely hands are KJ/QJ/AJ , T-T,4-4, K-Q, and maybe 89s. I flat cos i ahve 2 people behind me and dont like re raising when i have only tptk 4 handed.

Turn was a good turn , and he checks, he would probably do this if he filled up but also if he is weakish. So I bet 1700 , he flats. Now I dont know if he would c/c KQ on turn, i guess he could actually. But I think he wud c/c turn with KJ maybe too.

River doesnt rly do nething for me rly despite it improving my hand , its tricky tho cos i wasnt worried about QQ KK neway. And he donks out 3.3k into 6.1k, I dont know if he wud even bet AQ here. The only thing i cud think is if he turned T9 or somethin into bluff, and i dont know if he would do that since I rate to have a hand here often..


With all that in mind, do we hate a fold? I rly cduda been bluffed here tbh, but i ended up folding :/ rly unsure. What u think?


Full Tilt Poker Game #17349944309: $20,000 Guarantee (130039915), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:50:25 ET - 2010/01/05
Seat 1: lokiloo1 (11,488)
Seat 2: Lobstur1 (4,853)
Seat 4: SCNoodle (8,473)
Seat 5: Ciso (13,200)
Seat 6: Crunchedddd (12,533)
Seat 7: Muer (5,843)
Seat 8: ItiltUCalL (5,110)
Seat 9: dave798111 (18,271)
Crunchedddd posts the small blind of 80
Muer posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso [Js As]
ItiltUCalL folds
Crunchedddd: gd
dave798111 folds
lokiloo1 raises to 320
Lobstur1 folds
SCNoodle calls 320
Ciso calls 320
Crunchedddd folds
Muer calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jh 4h]
Muer checks
lokiloo1 checks
SCNoodle has 15 seconds left to act
SCNoodle bets 700
Ciso calls 700
Muer folds
lokiloo1 folds
*** TURN *** [Tc Jh 4h] [4s]
SCNoodle has 15 seconds left to act
SCNoodle checks
YouNoBluffedMe sits down
YouNoBluffedMe adds 10,290
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso bets 1,700
SCNoodle calls 1,700
*** RIVER *** [Tc Jh 4h 4s] [Ac]
SCNoodle has 15 seconds left to act
SCNoodle bets 3,300
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso has requested TIME
Ciso folds
Uncalled bet of 3,300 returned to SCNoodle
SCNoodle mucks
SCNoodle wins the pot (6,160)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,160 | Rake 0
Board: [Tc Jh 4h 4s Ac]
Seat 1: lokiloo1 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Lobstur1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SCNoodle collected (6,160), mucked
Seat 5: Ciso (button) folded on the River
Seat 6: Crunchedddd (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Muer (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ItiltUCalL didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: dave798111 didn't bet (folded)

[miaowmiaowchowface]

this is godawful, i was thinking whether to shove or not lol

[HalfSugar]

I may be a shit poker player but pre-flop is just awful, amiright?

[Ciso_B]

why is pf awful?

[HalfSugar]

What flop are you hoping for here? Jack high? If that comes, what do you know about your opponents so far? The fact that they'll call a min-raise doesn't really tell you anything useful. I don't agree that AJ plays well multiway, I think you should 3-bet or fold in this spot.

[Ciso_B]

This is why poker's great imo, you can have different opinion on lines to take/what hands to play etc and its all cool.

I respect your opinion but disagree alot, A-J- suited is a lovely hand in position, I have no problem playing it for 2bbs here, sure i could re raise pf, but that doesn't accomplish a great deal unless it serves as a steal, which im cool with, but a hand that is junkier than AJs wud be better to do that play with.

As for folding pf, if it was offsuit and im in the blinds oop, I could see a case for it. But I rly dont like folding a hand this strong in position for a min raise. Had effective stacks been shorter, I could 3bet/get it in vs one of them if they were loose. But look at opponents stack sizes here,I'm not happy playing for all the chips with AJs there.

As for what flop am i hoping for? Tbh, I dont flat thinking, I want this flop or that flop. I see how the action develops, if it came 732 and it cehcked round I'd take a pop..on the ther hand if it came AKQ and it was bet and riase before me, I'd fold. That's the best way I can answer that question.

To the post flop play , I think flop and turn is pretty typical and I wasnt annoyed/questioning myself so much there.

River is a decision tho, cos villain has to know im on a semi strong to strong hand here, yet he still bets out 1/2 his stack. That worried me, cos now the only hand i beat that he would bet for value is an A-10, and since I know him to be a mtt "reg", I question whether he would even flat a riase with that. If he's bluffing, then I got ouplayed here....badly.

FWIW, i did ft and come 4th in this one, but the river decision here still could have been a bad one on my part. If he puts me on a Jack, then that river is a great bluffing card. My problem is tho, he bet flop multiway , check and called still on turn,so even if he was taking a stab on flop, you dont call oop on a bluff right?

side note- with all due respect to our resident superstar miaow, river shove for value isn't good imo , not here, Im really sure of it.

[crack]

I don't see a problem here with this PF, Geno. They are all deep stacked and he has position. No harm in seeing a flop here.

[odlozilik]

KQ, TT beats you, you beat KJ, QJ, AK, AQ, AT + some bluffs, I can't imagine folding here getting almost 3:1.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

preflop is definitely ok btw guys

[HalfSugar]

Meh.