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Two Pair Outs... A Sklansky question

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Two Pair Outs... A Sklansky question

Postby General Sal » Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:41 am GMT

I have a question that I"m hoping someone could answer. It's an "outs" question. I was looking in Sklansky's Advanced Hold "em on the probability section. In it, it shows the percentages for four outs. Obviously, I understand how four outs on an inside straight draw works. But, it also lists "two pair" as having four outs, and I don't get it. Can someone explain it to me?

With an inside, let's say I have a 10 and J. Board shows A K 2. I know that I need a queen to make my draw. And there are four queens. Therefore, four outs.

With a two pair scenario, let's assume I have a 10 and J. The flop comes J 9 3. There are only three 10s left in the deck, so how is it that I have four outs? I'm confused!

I'd appreciate the answer.
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Postby Dave B » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:37 am GMT

If you have j 10 and the flop come j 10 3-then you have 2 pairs and 4 outs. There are 2 Js and 2 10s.

In your scenario of J 10 w/ J on the flop, you only have one pair. In your case there are 5 outs, 2 Js and 3 10s.
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thank you

Postby General Sal » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:39 am GMT

It makes sense now... he was talking about two pair drawing to a full house! I see said the blind man. Thank you, Dave.
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Postby Dave B » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:51 am GMT

No problem-I can see where the confusion came from.
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