What Size Bet in Pot Limit?

[lwestatbus]

I recently played my first pot limit HE tourny on Stars because the price was right and there weren't any attractive ring tables open. I never checked on the rules for betting/raising in PL, thinking, well, you know, it must be "pot limit".

It soon became clear, though, that there was some other criteria for the max bet/raise size because there were regularly bets coming out that were more than the pot. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of hard facts except that there were regularly initial bets on the flop that were larger than the pot.

Can anyone explain what exactly "pot limit" means in tournys? (I checked the rules on this site but it didn't explain.) Do different sites/casinos have different intrepretations?

[Sean_in_NJ]

The size of the pot includes the amount you need to call before your raise. This is where 99% of people get tripped up.

For example, you're UTG, blinds are 100/200. The pot size is 500 (100+200+your 200 call), so you can raise to a total of 700.

I don't know of any alternate methods of calculating pot size that might be used.

[supafrey]

The size of the pot includes the amount you need to call before your raise. This is where 99% of people get tripped up.

For example, you're UTG, blinds are 100/200. The pot size is 500 (100+200+your 200 call), so you can raise to a total of 700.

I don't know of any alternate methods of calculating pot size that might be used.

This is it.

[lwestatbus]

The size of the pot includes the amount you need to call before your raise. This is where 99% of people get tripped up.

For example, you're UTG, blinds are 100/200. The pot size is 500 (100+200+your 200 call), so you can raise to a total of 700.

Many thanks. When I was seeing a first-to-act raiser preflop larger than the current pot this was really consistent with what I was seeing. When things got more complicated it was hard to tell.

One thing that I've noticed is that in FL and this single PL tourny once you get into even moderate blind levels they play a lot like NL tournys. You can quickly cripple an average stack size (or be crippled).

Does anyone know who has authorship rights on the Hold 'em rules on this site (http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/holdem_rules--available from the Texas Holdem Rules link to the left)? I think that this information is worth adding there.

Thanks again.

[supafrey]

Winning tournaments is like.... 50% figuring out when to 3-bet push all in preflop. Considering stack sizes very very quickly get between the very juicy resteal point of 10-20BB in pot limit, and the standard raises are from 100-200 to 700 to 2100+, it's not that strange to see the NL similarities.

[Jernej Zorec]

isnt that like only time PL is "very" different from nl
when its push mode with those stack and u just can't push in PL

i mean in NL except those mtt times ur bets really shouldnt be more than pot

[supafrey]

I do a lot more by 3-bet-all-in than I do from a push to 10bb myself, personally. But yeah it does add a play or two.