What was that estamation odds thing in your head

[ORGrinder]

sure... you're odds of catching the cards you need are better when there's fewer players in the hand... however, when calculating your number of outs, you don't take into consideration how many players are in the hand. you can't. it's not possible unless you know what they're holding, so you simply don't consider that. you're basing your outs on unseen cards basically. since you haven't seen your opponents cards, you outs are the same as if all their cards were still in the deck.

it's just the way you calculate outs.

[Dave B]

You dont know what those other cards are, you can only calculate the odds of the cards you need from the total amount of unknown cards.

I think your point of confusion might be this, if there are more players in a hand, an out might not be and out. For example, if you have AK and the flop is 10, 9 6, someone might already have 2 pair, so you could be looking at zero outs. Or if there are 2 suited hearts on the flop and you have J 10 hearts, your J high str8 might not be good w/ 8 callers.

So what determines how many outs you have, you need to consider what it will take to win the hand. But if you are drawing the nut flush and there is no pair (or str8 flush) on the board, you have at least 9 outs(maybe more if your A is good). It makes ZERO difference if you are heads up or 9 have seen the flop.

[joerobinson04]

I get it now. Thanks to both of you for the explanation. Because no matter how many people are in it's still out of 52 cards.