Worse fold ever? Horse MTT

[MrDarling]

Decided to play a little Horse Satelite , see how I fair against the other weak players.

Actually manage to do ok, and even made FT. Only one big mistake chasing the non nut low before the FT crippled me.

anyway, this happened before : I can't see any hands that villain can fold correctly here with two cards to come getting 10-1 on his money:

Full Tilt Poker Game #3996095837: Sunday Night HORSE Satellite (29695385), Table 5 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud H/L - 17:45:33 ET - 2007/10/28
Seat 1: apizzaboy (785)
Seat 3: Clarabell (735)
Seat 4: hero (520)
Seat 5: darronb (1,840)
Seat 6: PSYCHOPARANOID (6,900)
Seat 7: NIVEK118 (1,175)
Seat 8: daniel white (865)
apizzaboy antes 15
Clarabell antes 15
hero antes 15
darronb antes 15
PSYCHOPARANOID antes 15
NIVEK118 antes 15
daniel white antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to apizzaboy [4h]
Dealt to Clarabell [2s]
Dealt to hero [Kc Qs] [Ks]
Dealt to darronb [4s]
Dealt to PSYCHOPARANOID [2h]
Dealt to NIVEK118 [Jh]
Dealt to daniel white [5c]
PSYCHOPARANOID is low with [2h]
PSYCHOPARANOID completes it to 80
NIVEK118 folds
daniel white calls 80
apizzaboy folds
Clarabell folds
hero raises to 160
darronb folds
PSYCHOPARANOID raises to 240
daniel white folds
hero raises to 320
PSYCHOPARANOID calls 80
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to hero [Kc Qs Ks] [Qd]
Dealt to PSYCHOPARANOID [2h] [Th]
hero bets 80
PSYCHOPARANOID calls 80
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to hero [Kc Qs Ks Qd] [3h]
Dealt to PSYCHOPARANOID [2h Th] [Ac]
PSYCHOPARANOID has 15 seconds left to act
PSYCHOPARANOID checks
hero bets 105, and is all in
PSYCHOPARANOID folds

[supafrey]

4bet preflop is really bad.

Raising it at all preflop is prolly bad.

Later streets are inevitable. Meh.

[MrDarling]

we had history.

He often raised with crap and I reraised him with marginal hands...

We had a hand where I capped it with split 7 while he was showing a K, and I didn't believe him.
He did have it but I was lucky to catch 2 pairs and he didn't improve.

Also earlier on he called me to SD with a pair of 4 on stud (sure lots of draws) I couldn't improve on my str+FD and he beat my pair of 3's (how can you call a river bet with just a pair of 4 - that was the first real hand between us)

[crack]

Pumping pots with split kings after two people with low cards have come in is pretty bad in stud hi/lo I reckon, even if you do have "history" with one of the players. I would probably have just called on 3rd.

Who calls to showdown with a pair of 4's and the river at stud? Well it depends how much was in the pot, board cards, what you are showing and the way it was played.

[MrDarling]

well, this is a tournament. I'm very short and decided to pick a decent hand and go all the way with it. I also wanted to get it HU against a loose/bluffing player that over estimate his hand. With a high hand you have more chance scooping it against 1 player HU (I think)

The hand with the 4's, we both had draws. I actually started with split 3 and a 2, picked up 4 to flush + 4 to good low on 5th and couldn't improve for the life of me.

[supafrey]

With a high hand you have more chance scooping it against 1 player HU (I think)

I know what you're trying to say with this, but you're thinking about it wrong.

[MrDarling]

Well, am here to learn.
Limit games are not my forte and am really knew to HORSE.

So which part of my play don't you like?

I think the first raise is necessary to thin the field.
Once he raise again I feel I am committed to this hand and simply want to put as much pressure on him as possible.
I can't see my self folding this hand, and I really don't want him to take half the pot if he hits a low or even worse out draw me and take all the pot away.

Help is appreciated

[Jernej Zorec]

considering what cards are showing i do not want to thin the filed when my hand plays for half a pot only, call behind and hope more guys come chasing low

the way i see it bunch of 2's out two 4s and quite some hearts and spades already so if i play on such a short stack i'm not worried about being outdrawn for high i want big pot

but then again i dont play high only hands at all when i'm short unless i'm in position and i know it will be hu
in this case i just fold and jam a hand where get 3 cards 6 or lower

[crack]

The pair of 4's hand you talking about you said in your post it was stud not stud hl and yes it makes a big difference in what he can call with or not, but let's forget about that hand.

Your mistake is not knowing what is a good hand in stud hl, that's what I don't like about your play.

[UrAteUp]

[url]Limit games are not my forte and am really knew to HORSE.[/url]

Nope...your really too new to Horse..so who knew you played the hand wrong...

(usually I am the one getting lambasted for these types of things)

[MrDarling]

Nope...your really too new to Horse..so who knew you played the hand wrong... :)

(usually I am the one getting lambasted for these types of things)

just be happy I have a auto spell checker or you wouldn't have understand half the thing I said.

btw, English is not my forte either, but am pretty sure the bolded sentence doesn't make much sens

[crack]

If you're going to correct someone UAU at least

a) Make sense
b) Make sure there isn't anything wrong with your post

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Agree with crack and supa. 3rd was played badly, but the rest plays itself.

I don't see a single hand he can profitably fold on 5th. The Ace either paired (or tripped) him or gave him 4 to a low if he knows what he's doing. Otherwise, he's just an idiot and there's really no reason to discuss this...

[MrDarling]

Agree with crack and supa. 3rd was played badly...

No one as yet to point out the correct way to play this.
Unless you all suggesting I simply fold PF or flat call and face a family pot with a very marginal hand.

[crack]

Did you miss my first reply?