Your thoughts

[PLOCH]

I'm in position and opponent is loose. My move.

Full Tilt Poker Game #10790030094: Table Veal (deep) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:13:21 ET - 2009/02/22
Seat 1: Fenrir314 ($50)
Seat 2: Hash1982 ($49.95)
Seat 3: geranium4you ($109.50)
Seat 4: Eva8822 ($98.40)
Seat 5: caddy14 ($15.70)
Seat 6: BaaaadKarma ($46.65)
Seat 7: Plochman ($30.95)
Seat 8: blackhawk12j ($44.60)
Seat 9: DeezCacklings ($81.30)
blackhawk12j posts the small blind of $0.25
DeezCacklings posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Plochman [9c Tc]
Hash1982 raises to $2.50
geranium4you folds
Eva8822 folds
caddy14 folds
BaaaadKarma folds
Plochman calls $2.50
blackhawk12j folds
DeezCacklings folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Ah 9s]
Hash1982 checks
Plochman checks
*** TURN *** [6c Ah 9s] [Td]
Hash1982 bets $5.75

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

With your stack, I would fold preflop, and as played, I'd raise the turn and shove any non-Ace or 6 river (and call all-in if 3-bet).

[gumbie]

Bet the flop.

I call the turn, pfr checking the a high flop usually means AAA or nothing so raising the polarised range is bad.

[PLOCH]

Since I was on the button I will call with suited connectors. As I said he was loose and when he checked after the flop I knew for sure he had Ace and probably a rag, that's how he was playing. When I hit two pair I figured if he's got bullets fine and hats off but I had to push.


Plochman raises to $28.45, and is all in
Hash1982 calls $22.70
Plochman shows [9c Tc]
Hash1982 shows [As Qd]
*** RIVER *** [6c Ah 9s Td] [6d]
Plochman shows two pair, Tens and Nines
Hash1982 shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Hash1982 wins the pot ($59.65) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Plochman is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $62.65 | Rake $3
Board: [6c Ah 9s Td 6d]
Seat 1: Fenrir314 is sitting out
Seat 2: Hash1982 showed [As Qd] and won ($59.65) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 3: geranium4you didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Eva8822 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: caddy14 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BaaaadKarma didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Plochman (button) showed [9c Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 8: blackhawk12j (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: DeezCacklings (big blind) folded before the Flop

[miaowmiaowchowface]

lol, when you hit two pair you put him on AA, wtf?

[PLOCH]

lol, when you hit two pair you put him on AA, wtf?

No, I said I put him on Ace rag. If he had AA then hats off. I did not feel he had AA and I was right.

[Kemics]

he could have A9,AT, or any set, there's plenty of hands that have you in a very bad way other than AA. However, if he's loose we're beating a much larger range.

This is just a thought so someone who's better than poker please correct me:

1) with such a dry board a check here is more likely a trap than weakness because he's very likely to C-bet a flop like this without a hand having missed the flop as he's repping a big hand PF. Especially considering he's a loose player. Results aside, i wouldn't be so happy to insta-shove here, i'd probably play this a little more cautiously.


2) also with only 60 BB's i would say your getting to the edge of stack equity to be playing suited connectors for 5 BB's preflop as even the correct price for a draw is going to leave you pot committed.

[MrDarling]

Pf is pretty bad because your short and his loose. Meaning you're unlikely to run into a hand when you do flop a monster. Of course if he simply c/f every time he missed you can call with a wider range.
What would you do on this flop if he bet?
What would you do if the flop was T high or 9 high?

Now on the turn you were not right, you were simply lucky enough to run into the bottom of his slow playing range. If he slow plays AQ on this flop he's likely to slow play better two pairs or sets.

Against a good player shoving the turn is pretty bad as they "should" fold anything you beat w/o history and its not like you're going to "balance" this by shoving QJ or the like there...

Now if you were really smart you'd write a very good note on how he play post this kind of hands and start to raise tons of his cbets on dry board etc...

[PLOCH]

Let me ask this,
When I shoved shouldn't he consider folding? All he had was a pair of aces. I could've had a straight, trips, or the two pair I had. He won but was his call correct?

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Let me ask this,
When I shoved shouldn't he consider folding? All he had was a pair of aces. I could've had a straight, trips, or the two pair I had. He won but was his call correct?

He should have at least considered it, but he might not have known how you were playing, the flop was checked, calling is a "standard" 50NLH play, and you didn't have a full stack.

If you never raise here with less than AK, obviously his move was unprofitable. If you ever bluff or semi-bluff here, it might be correct depending on frequency.

[MrDarling]

...
Against a good player shoving the turn is pretty bad as they "should" fold anything you beat w/o history ...

[Jauron]

Let me ask this,
When I shoved shouldn't he consider folding? All he had was a pair of aces. I could've had a straight, trips, or the two pair I had. He won but was his call correct?

So when you pushed, you only wanted better hands to call you?

He checked the flop, obviously to slow play...I dunno this feels like a bad beat post now. /puke

[PLOCH]

Let me ask this,
When I shoved shouldn't he consider folding? All he had was a pair of aces. I could've had a straight, trips, or the two pair I had. He won but was his call correct?

So when you pushed, you only wanted better hands to call you?

He checked the flop, obviously to slow play...I dunno this feels like a bad beat post now. /puke

I am trying to learn something.
I have seen many players on FTP play the Ace-rag without really seeing what's in front of them. I felt my two pair had him beat, which at that point they did.
If it was me I would have folded to his all in.